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An Ungrateful Nation

Posted by barunroy on April 15, 2008

By Upendra Mani Pradhan
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Field Marshal Sam FJH Manekshaw preferred calling himself Sam ‘Bahadur’ Manekshaw as a mark of respect and reverence towards the bravest of the brave Gorkhali soldiers, who served the nation along with him; he himself belonged to 1/8 Gorkha Rifles. His reverence towards the Gorkha soldiers can be understood in one of his famous quotes… “Every one is afraid of something… I am afraid of two women in my life, my mother and the Prime Minister (then Indira Gandhi)… if any one says he is not afraid of anything, either he is lying or he is a Gorkha”. “The bravest of the best”…. “India’s finest”…. “The ultimate soldier”… various epithet have been used by people who have been associated with these brave hearts, people who understand what it means to risk your life for your country every living moment of your life… Army General’s, Defence analysts, Military top-brass, all swear by the Gorkhali solders and treat them with utmost respect and veneration.

This respect and reverence is reflected in the contribution these brave solders have in fortressing the defence of our country. The Gorkha Regiment, has, as of today won 6 Theater Honors, 18 Battle Honors, 10 Ashok Chakras, 3 Param Vir Chakras, 28 Maha Vir Chakras, 68 Vir Chakras and numerous other honors and citations. The Gorkhas have always been the most disciplined solders, and they have out performed every enemy our country has had to face. Be it in India or abroad, the Gorkha solders have brought back fame and recognition to the country, besides being the first line of defence against inimical forces of Pakistan and China.

However, from time to time we have heard people referring to the same Gorkhalis as being foreigners, and even worst mercenaries, the worst possible slur on these brave hearts.

I have a question for these cynics, what or who is an Indian in your definition? Because, India as we know today is actually a British creation and the name itself is the best proof of that fact, is it not? Prior to the British (or the East India Company) consolidating its power in the geographical region we today refer to as India, the whole region was divided into small princely states. The Marathi’s ruled the west, Dravidians the south, the Mughals North and Central and the east was ruled by the Koch. The north-east, however, was mostly ruled by tribal clans and tribal chiefs. It was the British who won against all forces and consolidated and ruled this geographical Diaspora and for administrative ease called it India. So who is a real Indian? The answer is no body, and who is not a real Indian, the answer once again is no body.

The people, who cry hoarse calling the Gorkhas foreigners, do so, because of their lack of knowledge regarding the Gorkhas. People of ethnically Nepali background who are but Indian citizen, are referred to as Gorkhas (in Indian context that is). This is just to distinguish ethnically Nepali speaking Indian population from people of Nepal who prefer being called Nepali. It is illogical and inapt to call the Gorkhalis foreigners, just because we have a common heritage and roots with Nepal and we speak Nepali (which incidentally is one of the officially recognized languages of India).

My second question to these cynics is, are the Gorkha solders fighting for India mercenaries? The obvious answer is NO. Once the British took control of the rest of India, they tried to capture Nepal too, but the Nepali forces were trained mountain people and fierce warriors. So much was the valor of these solders that it won the respect of their enemy and the British recruited them into their army, in the same way as they recruited the Afghans, the Sikhs, the Dogras and even the Marathis. After the British left, the new Government of India recognizing the utility of these fighting men, decided to keep the Gorkha solders and formed an entire regiment, now known as The Gorkha Regiment; which was incidentally the first regiment of free India.

This unit proved its worth as soon as it was formed. Battalions of the 11 Gorkha Rifles have participated in practically all operations undertaken by the Indian Army since Independence, most notable and relevant here being the 1947-48 Indo-Pak War and Hyderabad (1948). Hyderabad is once again a reminder to the cynics that India would not have been India as we know it today, had it not been for the iron will of Sardar Ballabh Bhai Patel and the iron fist of the same Gorkha solders that you refer to as mercenaries.

Since, then a lot of water has flow down Ganga and Teesta, the only thing unchanged is the patriotism and dedication of these brave hearts. More often than not, cynics point out the role of Gorkha troops in the now infamous Jalianwala Bag Massacre. What they fail to see is that our government (of independent India) had no qualms in using the same Gorkhas to quell the same Sikhs as the British did in the past. Gorkha regiment was heavily involved in quelling the secessionist movement for independent Punjab. Further, the government has no qualms on using the Gorkha forces in all other parts of the nation to douse the secessionist movements, be it Nagaland, Manipur or Tripura.

Most of the Gorkha solders recruited into Indian army today come from the hills of Darjeeling, which has a solder in every house. In Darjeeling, it is a matter of pride and honor to have at least one member of the family to be in the army. My family has 3 retired solders and one about to join the army, is it for economic reasons? Perhaps, but if it was just economics, most of us would have probably flown outside the country in search of greener pastures.

There is something called patriotism and sometimes I wonder, if it’s a curse rather than a blessing to be born a patriot. My friend Sunil Rai, was killed in action in Kashmir and left his young wife and child behind, I still recall his elder brother proudly accepting the Indian tri-color from the other solders and saying “wish I had more brothers for my country…” Do you think it’s just for money that we join the army? I think not.

One of the most brazen aspects of this whole issue is that people, who do not have any feeling for India, are the one’s who call these brave solders mercenaries and us foreigners. I have lived in Shibamandir, and I was shocked to see that even the University of North Bengal, did not celebrate the Republic Day or the Independence Day. If you want to give it a try, visit Shibamandir and Siliguri this Independence Day and count the number of tri-colours you see proudly fluttering, I can bet on it that the numbers will be countable, and I will not be surprised at all if these people prefer *March 26th to August 15th. Come to the Darjeeling hills and you will find that every house has a flag, as an honor and respect for our mother land and our brave solders who have kept this motherland intact.

April 9th, 2008: It was perhaps the darkest day in the history of India (for me it was), when the inept West Bengal police, fell upon the retired brave hearts with vengeance. The West Bengal police, guided by an incompetent government at the state and a conniving minister at Siliguri, violently reined blows on ex-solders who were peacefully rallying for the legitimate demand of Gorkhaland.

It was a slap from West Bengal police, in the face of Indian army… it was a slap in the face of Field Marshal Sam Manekhsaw… a slap in the face of Sardar Patel… a slap in the face of the Defence Minister and numerous other people who love and respect the brave solders.

Nothing can be worse for a solder and the moral of the army than be slapped in the face by the most inept police force in the entire country. A force which, helplessly watched (and perhaps with relish) the killing of innocent people in Nandigram by CPI (M) goons… A force which was charged for murdering Rijwanur Rahaman… a force which is more of a political instrument for the CPI (M) than an administrative body.

Shame on you!! West Bengal police and shame on all of us, who have been quite on this issue. Shame on the so called moral polices, who came out in hoards in support of people in Nandigram but refuse to budge now, just because we are not like you? Shame on the national media which happily shows for hours on end what color lipstick Aishwarya Rai wore, than showing the old solders beaten to death. Shame on the politicians who are busy condemning GJM for inciting violence while overlooking this heinous act. Shame on the Defence Minister, for you kept a blind eye while your office and post was slapped and kicked in the streets of Siliguri. Shame on you!! the incompetent DM of Darjeeling, who has proved to be nothing but a political stooge. Shame on you!! The SP of Darjeeling, whose thirst for blood seems to be still unquenched, after killing numerous innocent civilians in Nandigram, where he was the ASP? Last but not the least, Shame on India…. An Ungrateful Nation.

Finally, I leave you with immortal lines as stated by J. M. Stracznski “No dictator, no invader - can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom… Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand”.

Hope! I made some sense.

* 26th March is the Bangladesh Independence Day.

196 Responses to “An Ungrateful Nation”

  1. qutub_shah Says:

    RESPECTED MR. Upendra Mani Pradhan

    GREETING TO YOU.
    YOUR ARTICLES GIVE ME MANY INFORMATION, THANKS FOR THAT.
    FIST OF ALL I WANT TO CONDEMN THEM WHO ARE CALLING GORKHAS AS FOREIGNERS AND/OR MERCENARIES.
    BUT I THINK WE MUST CONTROL OUR EMOTION AND MUST GO ON THE PATH OF REALITY. I THINK YOUR REACTION WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IF YOU CAN SEE THAT HOOLIGANS WHO ARE THROWING STONES ON POLICE, JOURNALISTS AND COMMON MEN JUST BEHIND THE ‘BRAVEST OF THE BRAVE’ EX-SERVICE MEN.

    ONE MORE THING I WANT TO ADD IS THAT IT IS THE SAME MAN THAT the incompetent DM of Darjeeling WHO SAVES THE LIFE OF THOUSANDS OF MY GORKHA BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN SDO’S OFFICE AT SILIGURI ON 28TH SEPTEMBER 2007 WHERE RIOT BROKE OUT AFTER HARRASEMENT OF A COMMON MEN BY SOME “INTELIGENT” PEOPLE NEAR SILIGURI SADAR HOSPITAL AND LATER ON NEAR SILIGURI TREASURY AND SDO’S OFFICE . I WAS DEEPLY SHOCKED WHEN THEY DESCRIBE ‘HERO OF MY HEART’ MR. PRASHANT TAMANG AS CHOWKIDAR BUT IT CANT BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED AS A CAUSE TO START THE RIOT.
    I LIVE IN PRADHANNAGAR AND WE HAVE NO TENSION BETWEEN US WHETHER WE ARE GORKHA OR NOT AND WE WILL NOT ALLOW PEOPLE FROM OTHER PLACES TO DISTURB OUR COMMUNAL HARMONY.

  2. shital Says:

    when Sam said “if any one says he is not afraid of anything, either he is lying or he is a Gorkha”….i felt proud of myself that i too belong to that community.

  3. G Chettri Says:

    Yes DM is incompetent qutub_shahji otherwise he would have given a permission to hold the rally which would have gone peacefully and next during his tenure as DM BOMBs has exploded in siliguri threatening your very life in Danger.
    Finaly he works not for GOVT of India, He works for Ashok the Minister.

  4. Upendra Says:

    Dear Mr. Shah, thank you for your comment and insight. However, let me remind you, that it was not the DM who helped protect the Gorkhalis in 2007, it was actuall the SDO Ms. Agarwal, a trainee SDO herself, who called in the Army and the RAF. In fact the DM had gone so far as to say that this violence cannot be controlled, that’s why he clamped the curfew. Thanks to the quick thinking of the SDO and not the DM that Siliguri was saved that day.

    Sincerely,
    Upendra

  5. An Ungrateful Nation at Blogbharti Says:

    [...] Barun Roy, in a rather harsh manner vents his acrimony against the treatment of Gorkhas by the West Bengal Government and the nation,  Most of the Gorkha solders recruited into Indian army today come from the hills of Darjeeling, which has a solder in every house. In Darjeeling, it is a matter of pride and honor to have at least one member of the family to be in the army. My family has 3 retired solders and one about to join the army, is it for economic reasons? Perhaps, but if it was just economics, most of us would have probably flown outside the country in search of greener pastures. [...]

  6. thebengali Says:

    I am astonished as to how stupid you are Mr Pradhan. Just because you fly the flag doesnt mean that you are more indian than others.

    And thank you for letting us know about the date of Bangladesh day. Now in your zealousness to get gorkhaland by hook or by crook you are trying to say that the whole of bengalis in west bengal are bangladeshis.

    And in this very blog your brethren refer to grater nepal from time to time!

    Looking at your entry I have a feeling that you want the whole nation to kneel down and say thank you. I have a feeling that everything good in the country has been done by you gorkhas and everything bad by the others.

    Look at the ground reality- if you are true law abiding citizens, you would have followed the DMs directive, rather than use force against it. It was the right step by the DM.

    Secondly I was there when the trouble broke out after the Prasant tamang incident- it was clearly started my gorkha miscreants trying to show their force.And its a misfortune that your bad boys didnt get the treatment they deserved on that day

    PS just a quick reminder to rejig your memory- the great soldiers who fired the shots at Jalianwala Bagh were Gorkhas

  7. Surojeet Says:

    Hey!! Thebengali…

    U fart ass.. check this out… “More often than not, cynics point out the role of Gorkha troops in the now infamous Jalianwala Bag Massacre. What they fail to see is that our government (of independent India) had no qualms in using the same Gorkhas to quell the same Sikhs as the British did in the past. Gorkha regiment was heavily involved in quelling the secessionist movement for independent Punjab. Further, the government has no qualms on using the Gorkha forces in all other parts of the nation to douse the secessionist movements, be it Nagaland, Manipur or Tripura.”.. Why do U bother writing comments without reading the entire post??

  8. thebengali Says:

    now my friend

    thts because you are a team of merceneries

  9. thebengali Says:

    I hope Upendra Mani Pradhan is not asking for freedom from india

  10. G Chettri Says:

    Mr Bengali I have not seen any one demanding Greater Nepal. Your comment makes me wonder whether it is you who is looking for Greater Bangla Desh and we are comming in your way.if you remind us of
    Jalianwala Bagh we can not also forget 27 july 1987 Kalimpong where more than 65 were killed by your greater bangla desh troops.
    Mr Bengali but in the end comments from you makes me feel that we are nearer to to our goal - The separation from bengal.

  11. A Gorkha soldier Says:

    Dear Blog Bharati,

    first of all get your facts straight! Barun Roy did not write this article it is Upendra Mani Pradhan and second, it is neither indignant nor summararily bad as you put it. I am a soldier and have fought for the nation in the Kargil War. We have paid our dues and have been doing so since before this country was born. I love this country and I have shedd blood for it, so don’t go about trying to prove whether we Gorkhas are patriotic or not. We are not talking about separation or anything we are talking about our home, our share of destiny. We are not saying that we are more Indian then you but we are saying that if you can have a state of your own so can we.
    Period!

  12. A Gorkha soldier Says:

    And Dear Bengali,

    Don’t try charading the name Bengali, because beleive me there are more Bengalese who are in fact in favour of Gorkhaland then you can believe and by taking up the name Bengali don’t think that you represent the entire Bengali masses. I am a Gorkha Soldier, for generations, since my grandfather, we have served and shed blood for this nation, I am a Gorkha soldier and this is my call, what makes you the Bengali, just because you were born with the title? Tell me what have you don’t for this nation being a Bengali?

    Don’t piss around the graves of the Brave! The blood of the warriors run thick!

  13. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Jallianwala bagh. It is a shame that this incident of a group of soldiers consisting of Gorkhas, Pathans and other natives who acted on the orders of a British Officer who himself was courtmartialled still crops up despite the thousands of Gorkha lives lost for India’s defence. If all their blood together cannot wipe out the stains what else do you’ll want?
    GIVING YOUR LIFE FOR YOUR OWN is one thing and GIVING YOUR LIFE FOR OTHERS IS THE GREATEST HUMAN QUALITY ANd THIS THE CHEERFULL SIMPLE GORKHA has happily shown from the time they left their home and family behind in Nepal till today when Gorkhas are recruited from India and Nepal. There has to be a reason more than just money for a Gorkha to put his life on stake for loyalty forgetting those left behind. And this no Non-Gorkha will ever understand. The first Victoria Cross was awarded to Gorkha Rifleman Kulbir Thapa for valour. Do you know what valour means? Despite being severely wounded himself, he crawled up and down the bombarding battlefield dragging and saving the lives of other wounded comrades. Read his story and learn something about what it means to be a real human being. Would you call him a mere mercenary?

  14. Salil Chhetri Says:

    Those who dont know us have no right to comment on us and those who cant rule themselves have no right to rule us.We the people of Gorkhaland question the sincerity of the Govt of India to adhere to the constitution which guarantees amongst all the right to self governance. Darjeeling has never been culturally, geographically and demographically similar to West Bengal nad should never be clubbed together with West bengal.It was a historical mistake and it is high time the correction is made.Gorkhaland already exists in the heart and mind of the people of Darjeeling and the Govt of India should not delay giving it a constitutional recognition…Jai Gorkhaland

  15. pseude Says:

    More Bengalis in favor of Gorkhaland - IS IT??? Either you are in dreamland or you promised those Bengalis ministerial berths. Also, didnt you know soldiers shouldnt be getting into politics?

  16. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    In service, no but as ex-servicemen, why not? How did Retd Maj General Khanduri, BJP party member become the Chief Minister of Uttarakahnd?

  17. Salil Chhetri Says:

    Your very own Retd General Mallick was also an MP and even sought the post of Defence minister

  18. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    And also ex Indian Finance Minister and ex Foreign Minister was a MAJOR in the Indian armed forces

  19. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Jaswant Singh in refrence to my last post

  20. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    By the way, according to the Anthroplogical survey of India, Bengalis are classified as Mongoloids

  21. jyt Says:

    Was beating of the rallyiest a deliberate act of the Police? No one has answered the question. If the rallying crowd composed of ex servicemen then should police treat them special? In what persona had they come in the rally? They were supporting the gorkhaland movement.They were purely civilian. It is very unfortunate that the incident happen but it is not wise abusing the administration, police or Bengalis. BY the way with whom are the Hill people {Nepali, Marwaris, Beharis, some Bengali (There are many Benagalis in Kalimpong who has made it their home, Lepchas, Bhutias)} fighting with Bengalis or with Government of West Bengal or Govt of India? I don’t think Hill people is fighting with Bengalis because I don’t see any connection of the Gorkhaland movement with Bengali people. No where Gorkhaland movement leaders have said that we don’t want to stay with Bengalis. I have not read anything against Gorkhaland movement by the so called Bengali people. Yes of course Sumanta Sen did write but he does not representative of the Bengali people, NBU lecturers did say but they are not the representative of the Bengali intellectuals. I don’t see any reason answering the provokings of thebengali, pseude etc brothers in this blog.
    Be confident and have faith in the leaders of this movement, they will lead us to destination. If anybody calls himself/herself a Gorkhali or Gorkha or Nepali don’t react to the provocation. Save the energy for the future we need it very much.

  22. Johnny Gorkha Says:

    WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT POLITICS YOURSELF ???

  23. pseude Says:

    Assuming you just didnt shoot off like your other nepali friends, what difference does it make to this discussion even if Anthropological survey classifies Bengalis as Mongoloids? On the other hand, if Bengalis were mongoloids, then nepalis should have no problem at all.

  24. pseude Says:

    Oh, I didnt know I was talking to EX-servicemen.

  25. Jyoti Says:

    Dear Pseud
    You got my point. Darjeeling’s demand for Gorkhaland is based on issues beyond any personal communal feelings. Yes, the fire has been stoked on provocative digs by either side. With no offence meant, if Bengalis had been made part of Bihar,there would have been a similar cry. Ae you aware of the Kamtipur alias Cooch Bihar movement? They also staged a rally at Jantar Mantar saying that they want to be part of India, Not Bengal. Watch out for them. There has to be something wrong with Bengal’s policies of keeping minority ethnic groups happy in their state.

  26. Jyoti Says:

    And Pseude I am addressing you because your continuous presenve here indicates of yr interest. Thanks for it. Bengal has become Kolkata-centric. The rest of the state are significant in location but insignificant in the state’s presence. There is politically charged unrest and poverty in the districts. The rest of India knows little about Murshidabad, or Midnapore, oR Burdwan or Bankura etc, undeveloped for ages. No wonder ex-Miss India Celina Jaitley said she came from a smalltown called Kharagpur that is unknown. Imagine a town with the world’s longest railway platform and many other heritage identifications and an inhabitant feels so small about it. The magnificent old palace of Cooch Behar has gone to seed. why could it not be turned into a heritage hotel property with infrastructure in place like the Rajastan. Murshidabad has a thousand door palace. Boys play cricket in it. And worse of all, the Kolkata-based Indian Museum, used to be best in India is now robbed of many of its priceless collection. The unrest in darjeeling has stemmed from the Hooghly not the other way around. Babu Moshai ektu Bhabhun. Sonar Banglaye ki hocche.

  27. Jyoti Thapa Says:

    And one more thing it is not just about ‘my Nepali friends’. I am here to defend the image of Gorkhas or any other community who are being illogically abused. Could be even Bengalis with whom we were comrade in arms in the Azaad Hind Fauz. Besides Gorkhas are a community evolved from first the Purano Gorkha Sena of Nepal, then the British-Gurkha Regiments FIRST raised in the Solan hills of today’s Himachal Pradesh (earlier called the Punjab hill states and before that Greater Nepal and before that in the indpendant kingdoms of the hill rajas)and now the Indian Gorkha and UK based British Gorkha Regiments. They were classified as a martial race alongwith the Sikhs and Marathas. Finally together or separate, Darjeeling and the other Bengali districts are and will remain neighbours. So everyone, pl do not sow seeds of communal dissent which will take decades to eradicate. And I do not think the sacred name of Gorkhas should be abused or kept open to abuse for a demand of a separate state. Let us live or part as friends. That the junta will decide. Also the injuries caused to the retired ex-servicemen should be acknowledged as unfortunate by everyone including the Bhadraloks. It indicates poorly of our civilsation to hurt senior citizens whatever the reason be. I would be ashamed to see a picture of even a Punjabi,Bengali or Angrezi old man bleeding so badly. Just like there is a special task force for women, so should there be one for senior citizens protesting on anything whether for Gorkhaland or the World Earth Day. Since Independance India has produced very few leaders like Mahatma Gandhi.

  28. G Chettri Says:

    Jyoti thapa
    GREAT
    pseude how did you like the kick from J

  29. Jyoti Thapa Says:

    I must also not forget to include that Gorkhas form major percentages of all Indian Regimenst not only the Gorkha Regts. There are Gorkha soldiers, JCOs and Officers in all Indian Regts including the Assam Rifles, Garhwal Regt and so on. The Eastern Frontier Rifles (West Bengal’s Paramiltary Force) in Salua was raised by Late Major Mohabbat Singh Thapa after 1947,on deputation from the 9th GR. He was also the first Commandant and the only Gorkha Commandant so far of the EFR(If I am wrong pl do correct and pardon me). I know the story of how he raised it from scratch and created the entire EFR township because he was my grandfather and our indoctrinaton and fondness for Bengal began from there.

  30. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Knock knock anyone there?

  31. qutub_shah Says:

    RESPECTED JYOTI THAPA,

    PLEASE SHARE MORE INFORMATION WITH ME ON EFR.

  32. sameer Says:

    dear Mr Bengali, Thank your God that we are actually not merceneries. had we been so your kind would have been wiped out by now.and regarding stone throwing incidents, who does it better? you people or us? have you ever heard of the hill people throwing stones.we always FIGHT FACE ON and not throw stones at women,childrens and old retired men.

  33. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Dear Qutub Shah
    Thank you for yr interest in the Eastern Frontier Rifles. I do not know if this forum would be interested in it. If they are I will definitely put in a short essay with pics anywhere that Barun can indicate to me. Regards,Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani

  34. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Where is ‘Pseude’ gone?

  35. Pranay Says:

    Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants, present in “large” numbers across the country, pose a grave threat to India’s internal security, a Parliamentary panel has noted.

    “A large presence of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants poses a grave threat to the internal security and it should be viewed strongly,” the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home Affairs said in its latest report.

    The committee, headed by Sushma Swaraj, also said in its 46-page report that counterfeit notes were in large circulation along the Indo-Bangladesh border.

    “The committee strongly recommends that movement along the border may be strictly monitored,” the report on Demands for Grants of the Home Ministry said.

    The report pointed out that the porous Indo-Bangla border and the practical difficulties due to topographical reasons acting as impediments in the timely completion of border works projects were reasons behind “influx” of illegal Bangladeshi migrants.

    It has been reported that these illegal migrants have been able to secure ration cards, driving licences, voter identity cards and even PAN cards, the report said.

    It also quoted media reports, citing intelligence sources, as saying that terrorist groups have been recruiting Bangladeshis in India.

    Reports have appeared that certain Bangladeshi insurgent groups have been involved in terrorist incidents in India, the report said.

    To prevent the illegal immigration, the Union Home Ministry has taken various measures like construction of border fencing, flood lighting and roads to enable more effective patrolling, the Parliamentary panel said.

    Assignment of border guarding duties on the Indo-Bangladesh border to a single force, Border Sesurity Force, augmentation of its strength through additional battalions, reduction of gaps between border outposts, and provision of modern surveillance and other equipment and gadgetry to BSF are some other steps.

    The Home Ministry has also been issuing instructions to state governments and Union Territories from time to time to take sustained action to detect foreign nationals, including Bangladeshi nationals, staying illegally in the country.

    As many as 32 Foreign Tribunals under the provisions of the Foreigners (Tribunals) Order, 1964, have also been constituted in Assam for detention of illegal migrants and foreigners.

    The issue of illegal migrants from Bangladesh also figured prominently in the just-concluded talks between the heads of Border Security Force and Bangladesh Rifles in Delhi.

  36. Fat Gorkha Says:

    Dear Jyoti
    you are well informed, Must right articles, Why do you think leaders of 40s adopted the name Gorkha.
    Somtime I feel that Beacause of word gorkha we are having Hiccup in the separation process.

  37. Pranay Says:

    Leaders of the 40s( D.S. Gurung and Ratan lal Brahman) used the term Gorkha only to gain political mileage and were never sincere to the cause.So was the case with leaders thereafter like Anand Pathak and D.P Rai who used the term Gorkha for similar reasons whether it was Gorkhaland,Gorkhasthan or Gorkha pranth.

    When the Akhil Bharatiya Gorkha League started unionising the tea labourers,they needed a term which everybody could associate with and eventually unify everybody associated,they were the champions of the word Gorkha in Darjeeling region.

    Subhas ghising was initially sincere about his demand and the use of the term Gorkha but we know the rest………

    The role of the term Gorkha in the formation of a separate state needs much debate…

  38. Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Dear Fat Gorkha and Pranay
    I agree. I know a young Darj boy who says that he wants Gorkhaland because it is an unifying name just like when prithvinarayan Shah created Nepal and the Gorkha army which included all castes around 1765. Between then and now, 250 years he knows nothing of the Gorkhas. He thinks Durga Mall was born in Darjeeling.

    The original Purano Gorkha army had Magars, Gurungs, Rais and other Nepal region tribes as the soldiers. Their officers were still the upper caste court gentry. After the Anglo-Gorkha wars, the upper noblemen were compensated with large tracts of land in the lost Gorkha holdings. They joined Ranjit Singh of Punjab’s army where they immediately became Generals. Meanwhile, the magars, Gurungs, etc joined as sepoys with the British contemputuosly called POWs material by Nepal.

    Fatefully, Ranjit Singh’s empire and army were finished off by the 1830s including the Sikh-Gorkha Generals. Meanwhile those in the British side moved up the ladder.When the British-Gurkha alliance started, they reversed the old layers. The First Gorkha Regiment created was only for magars ands Gurungs. Following regiments were created very carefully on ethnic groups. And they went on to create the Gorkha history worldwide especially their performance in WW1 and WW2. As for the Gorkhas who had become landlords, over a period of time squandered it. Now they are resentfull of those who replaced their creamy layer status hundreds of years ago and hate the Brits for it.

    So, the saga goes on.

  39. jyt Says:

    I don’t think Gorkha’s root or history is limited with army only. What I am reading in these days in this blog is all about the army history. Don’t we have other stories to tell other than army(fauzi)? Actually what is being proved?

  40. qutub shah Says:

    RESPECTED MS. JYOTI THAPA MANI,

    PLEASE SEND ME INFORMATION ON EFR TO MY E-MAIL qutub_shah2005@yahoo.co.in.

    WITH REGARDS

    QUTUB SHAH

  41. sameer Says:

    Hello all, can someone please tell me addresses of major news channels in india, like AAJ TAK,CNN-IBN,ZEE news etc.I think its high time they do some news coverage,here in darjeeling instead of just showing crap in the breaking news.

  42. party pooper Says:

    Don’t get me wrong brothers and sisters but you paperback intellectuals make me sick. Come Gorkhaland Agitation and it will the be the undeducated and the poor from the Tea Gardens giving up their lives and livlihood while you will carry on with your pointless deliberations.

    I would like to see at least a few of you on the road and fighting the real fights.

    A###Holes

  43. pseude Says:

    Hi Ms Thapa - sorry for the hiatus. I was away on a training. I really dont want to argue about who forms what% in the Army. Its quite irrelevant here. As far as I am concerned, every community including the peaceful south indians contribute huge numbers to the army. Look at paramilitaries like Assam Rifles who often work with the army and a majority of the troopers are from Kerala. Similarly BSF and CRPF are made up of people from Punjab and Harayana. These paramilitaries are the ones who face most of the heat in internal security duties and not the army. Anyways…

    In North Bengal, most of the people are made up of erstwhile refugees who came from east bengal following partition. Many are also from Assam who left during the agitation in the 80s. After already have suffered dislocation many times, they have come looking for a secure future in West Bengal. There is no way they will part with land and come hail or heaven, they will fight. This is irrespective of party affiliation.

  44. G Chettri Says:

    pseude gone for Terrorist Training in Bangladesh - Joking.

    Jyoti well you have very good Knowledge and information.

    But why did we choose the name Gorkha to identify ourself.

    Some people even in this Blog is writing Gorkhaland is home for Gorkha allover the world which is hard to digest for Goverment. For Gorkhas of all over the world Nepal is their home not GorkhaLand.Gorkhaland is only for Indian Citizen of Nepali origin Do u agree?

  45. hemant Says:

    mr party pooper we know what you are up provoking us to take the wrong path, this is not the 80s this is the 21th century.
    see this time the old trick will not work out no matter if stones are thrown to our ex service men or party office of gjmm are burned by cpi -m carder in mallaguri.
    But i have a strong feeling that when you provoke us in frustration….. it should mean we are in the right path.

  46. hemant Says:

    mr party pooper we know what you are upto provoking us to take the wrong path, this is not the 80s this is the 21th century.
    see this time the old trick will not work out no matter if stones are thrown to our ex service men or party office of gjmm are burned by cpi -m carder in mallaguri.
    But i have a strong feeling that when you provoke us in frustration….. it should mean we are in the right path.

  47. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Dear Pseude
    I have read your views and understand your point.
    Then can you suggest a solution to how to satisfy these people’s need for a legitimate Indian identity which I am sure you agree that we are legitimate Indians. In all the states especially with ethnic names that we reside we are secondclass citizens and no attempt is made by the state govts to highlight our ethnic belonging and culture, except for some folk dance shows which even American redskins cheerleaders can do in India. Because our name does not feature in the plethora of Indian states, even after hundreds of years of residence, the frustration has been invited upon. We are not economic migrants or refugees. We happen to remain this side or that side because of political boundaries created after 1947.

    The discussion of the army cropped up to prove of our contribution to India because some people require justification on every point. Otherwise we have been quietly doing our duty for years. There are hundreds of Books written on the greatness of Gorkhas by British and Indian authors till date.The last one was by two journalists. We have not written single one as yet and dont say we could not write. The documental regimental interaction between the British and Gorkhas Officers indicate impeccable English language command by Gorkha Officers from the early 20th century. Because by nature we never bragged about ourselves. Whatever I an contributing about the Gorkhas are from references from diffrent books. Only because for information. I ahve mentioned earlier also that the 1/1 GR is commanded by a Bengali Officer and he is dong a great job of keeping the glory of the oldest Gorkha Regiment.

    AS for the comment on paparback writers. It is true that finally the grass-roots will fight because they suffer the most. But all this clearance is required so that they are not exploited on false-fed information and sentiments by unscrupolous political workers. For example, many maovadi voters do not even know who is this Mao Se tung. When a picture of his was given to replace handsome King Birendra,the women fainted in shock. Sorry just joking.

  48. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Dear G Chhetri
    You have asked me a qs. I am sorry I cannot answer that because it was coined not by me and risen by popular demand. But I am here as defender of the Gorkhas and whatver else i manage to achieve to steer minds onto logical grounds so that one day when the Gorkhaland leaders sit across a table to explain why their state should be called Gorkhaland,they are able to provide the right answers. I am a Gorkha by pedigree but if I was a Nepali from Darjeeling I would say I would like Gorkhaland (personally why should we even have an English word ‘Land’here) in Darjeeling to nurture and preserve a glorious heritage which was born out of Nepalis and like all heritages is getting scattered and on the brink of extinction. And perhaps it is only possible in Darjeeling where the density of Nepali/Gorkhali speakers is the highest. The First Gorkha Regiment today has Magars, Gurungs, Lepchas, Bhutias, Tamangs, Chhetris from India and Nepal. If they can lift the original rule of only Magars and Gurungs, why cannot it also be applied to a society of the same. But having said that I would not like to dictate on any nomenclature because that will be based on vox populis. But yes having Gorkhaland in Darjeeling doest not mean overruling or erasure of the the original Gorkha heritage societies in India. LIke I mentined earlier, Durga Mall,Dal Bahadur Thapa and ram Singh Thakuri’s families live in Dhaarmshala, but many Darjeeling youth have been led to believe that these martyrs were from Darjeeling and they have no clue of their Gorkha fraternity elsewhere. For Gorkhaland, Darjeeling has to think bigger.

  49. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Dear mr Chhetri
    One more answer to yr last question. I agree that Gorkhaland can only be born for India but can devlop into a centre of studies and research for all Gorkhas and Gorkha-related societies iternationally.

  50. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    And dear Jyt
    Gorkhas are the warriors. The evolution and reference of this legend is army-related all over the world. Cannot be helped. You have chosen this title for yourself. Good luck

  51. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Gorkha also stands for followers of Baba Gorakhnath
    Gorkha also stands for Gou-rakshaks, protectors of the cow, embodified by Hindus as the mother who gives us milk and motherland
    Gorkha also stands for the original army of the King of Gorkha, PrithvinarayanShah, a dynasty that Nepal hates now
    Gorkha also stands for the army raised by the British
    Gorkha also stands for India’s Infantry backbone

    The motto of the Purano Gorkha Sena was Mother and Motherland are greater than heaven

    Are we ready for all this?

  52. qutub shah Says:

    THANKS THANKS THANKS A LOT MS. JYOTI THAPA MANI FOR PROVIDING SUCH USEFUL INFORMATION.

  53. G Chettri Says:

    Well Ms Joyti,
    Issue is more confusing now, I thought Gorkha came from Prithi - Shah but as you have given so many meanings Which should we pick.
    “One more answer to yr last question. I agree that Gorkhaland can only be born for India but can devlop into a centre of studies and research for all Gorkhas and Gorkha-related societies iternationally”.
    why should Darjeeling be this when Nepal is already their.
    Well here the popular explanantion thats suit every one is Gorkha means People who speaks nepali but may have any ethnic background and reside in Darjeeling. Person with american origin having indian citizen and speaks nepali and resides in Kurseong could be termed as Gorkha. Has nothing to do with Gorkha Brigade of world war I and II( as Kudos goes to Nepal for that). Gorkha or Nepali are people whos tribe were conquered by Prithivi- SHah but many community lives in darjeeling hills has no linked to that history.
    I believe I am demanding separate State Because I am an Indian Citizen and our community is different than rest of Bengal. Majority of us cannot understand Bengali the State Language, Cultures we have adopted has evolved in last 150 years influence by Nepal, Scotish, Tribes, Bengalis. I can not myself Identify with British Gorkha Regiment who was known for their bravery.

    Its sound funny but somehow we proudly say we are Indian and cherish at the bravery of Nepal Citizen.we need to rethink Our argument for Separate state.

    What do you think Ms Jyoti

  54. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Shifting sands. The Gorkha has shifted to India. Most of the Gorkha pensioners families were settled in way back as 1861 in Dharamshala for example. We stopped being Nepali citizens since then. Gorkhas in Dehradun area stopped being Nepali citizens after 1815.

    It simple to understand. The glory of the Gorkhas as a Nepal army was only till 1814. Thereafter, they evolved under first the british army and now the Indian army.

    ONce in Kathmandu, an eminent editor wanted me to change the word Gorkha to Nepali. He had a complex about it. The Gorkha armies are only in India (increasingly) and Britain (reduced now. IN Nepal, it is the Nepal army.

    I had mentioned in my article on Prashant Tamang ‘Our Insulted Countrymen’that today the ratio Indian and neplai Gorkhas in the Indian army is 40:60

    By the way, the Gorkahs in WW1 and WW2, a large percentage were from Dharamshala, HP, Uttarkahand and east India. Does that make them Nepali glory? On this basis, you may not have to rethink.

  55. G Chettri Says:

    Dear Ms Joyti
    I might be entirely wrong but I believe British army recruits only Nepal Citizen not Indian Citizen. And you have your self written and answered that “Gorkhas pensioners families” it means while in duty they were Nepal Citizen after retirement they settled in India. So credit of bravery still goes to Nepal.
    The core of our problem lies in that that Indian Gorkhas and Nepal citizen are recruited in same regiment. Thats why we are always treated as an outsider. We must have our own regiment distinct from Nepal.
    The heroic deed by the Indian Gorkha for Motherland is treated as deed done by Mercenaries’.
    Last one thing I doubt Gorkhas out side Darjeeling feels the political problem like we do because we dont hear much cries from them they have successfully merge themselves with other communities and dont care whether we get separate state or not. Most of them dont speak Language and they speak in different Accent.

  56. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    Dear Chhetriji
    You are right they were Gorkha pensionedr families but from the time they domiciled in they ceased to be Nepali citizens.

    Speaking for HP, also in Shimla hills the Gorkha families have been living since the 18th and 19th century as Indian citizens now. They are still called Gorkhay. There are old Chamba folk songs aired on HP radio which speak about the atrocities of Gorkha rule. It is okay as long this song is played it our history here as rulers is not forgotten and no rulers were ever liked anyway. If we start protesting we will be giving more publicity to the fact.

    SEcondly, your last paragraph. Every community in their accent, etc eventually gets influenced by their surrounding environment. It is a natural phenomena. But in heart and spirit they are very much Gorkhas. You might not want be known as Nepal Nepalis but actually it appears, pl dont mind, that there is a closer affinity for Nepal and Nepaliness.

    As for yr last para. Till this time you did not even know who they were or what they represent in the history of Gorkhas, a title being asked for darjeeling. Yet you expect them to know all about you. They have been hearing about Subhash ghishing since the last few decades. Now they are being told that ghishing is gone. For a local community which gets to read mainly regional newspapers, Bimal Gurung is yet to be established. If you visit these places you will find that they are still far away from the world of internet and other communication. You are expecting to hear their cries. have you even gone and met them?

    They have not raised any objections to Gorkhaland forming in darjeeling or being sidelined in Darjeeling’s account of the history of Gorkhas. That itself is a big support and indicates the community bonding.

    We are debating about an Ungratefull Nation referring to India and now you are also critising the other Gorkha communities. Ungrateful India, Ungrateful Bengal, Ungrateful Northwestern Gorkhas. You need support for the movement to be successfull. You are alienating everyone.

    ‘Mercenaries’. It is not a dirty word actually. Every standing army is a mercenary army. That is they are being paid for devoting their time ready for military defence action. Even the British army had Officers who were not British, but of Scottish and Irish origin. Only the Governors etc were pure British. The Gorkhas learnt about mercenaries or professional soldiers only after they came to the Indian territory in 1780. The Rajas hired soldiers who went about offering their services to whoever paid better or were in a better political position. So evrybody was a mercenary. Chhetriji, we should know how to defend ourselves instead of getting annoyed or petty.

    Also since now a direct attack is starting, I will be withdrawing from this blog soon because the idea was not for Gorkhas to start blamimg each other, but to clarify thought processes. Good Luck

  57. pseude Says:

    Dear Brothers - do you seriously think future wars will be fought by infantries? A lot of discussion here is centred around it. With time, infantries will become nothing more than white elephants and gorkhas will keep losing their relevance. In case of a future war with say Pakistan, the fanatic pakistani jehadis and military will have no qualms on unleashing nuclear destruction on indian infantry formations - they almost did it in Kargil, only USAs intervention stopped it. In case of a war, the likelihood of pakistan using nuclear arms FIRST is far more likely and probable than india ever using it.

  58. Johnny Gorkha Says:

    So Mr Pseude here has no confidence in India huh ??? (your roots are showing now bro !) So, are you trying to scare us Indians with your vile Pakastani threats ???? you think Kargil war was won only because of USA’s intervention ??? hahahaha as LONG AS WE GORKHAYS are around NO ONE CAN TAKE INDIA…tell your fanatic pakistani/bangladeshi jehadis and military about it !

  59. G Chettri Says:

    Dear Joyti didi,
    I am not trying to disagree with you nor trying to insult you in anyway as the information you have provided is so important. If in any way my queries were degrading I apologize sincerly. Bhool Bhayo Vannay Chama Paou
    I was trying to point out that the Gorkhas of other state has beautifully assimilate themselves with others because of religious back ground and also less difference in culture with Hiamchalis and Paharis of Uttaranchal.They dont feel political victimisation as we do. May not have much discrimnation as we have here and also pocket they live may not have majority.
    ANd many a time I wonder Bringing them in this actively as we are involved here may create more problem for them than us. Places were they are treated equally like any community of that place may start treating them differently.
    Leaders in their quest for power may do any thing and even try to throw stone at hornet nest if it is advantage for them but we
    the sensible member of the community should act according to what is right for our community.

    G Chettri

  60. Jyoti Thapa Mani Says:

    DEar Icchamani
    Thank you for kind consideration and a Gorkha brother does not have to ask for forgiveness. Regards, Jyotididi