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An Ungrateful Nation

Posted by barunroy on April 15, 2008

By Upendra Mani Pradhan
Gorkha Veterans Brutalized
Field Marshal Sam FJH Manekshaw preferred calling himself Sam ‘Bahadur’ Manekshaw as a mark of respect and reverence towards the bravest of the brave Gorkhali soldiers, who served the nation along with him; he himself belonged to 1/8 Gorkha Rifles. His reverence towards the Gorkha soldiers can be understood in one of his famous quotes… “Every one is afraid of something… I am afraid of two women in my life, my mother and the Prime Minister (then Indira Gandhi)… if any one says he is not afraid of anything, either he is lying or he is a Gorkha”. “The bravest of the best”…. “India’s finest”…. “The ultimate soldier”… various epithet have been used by people who have been associated with these brave hearts, people who understand what it means to risk your life for your country every living moment of your life… Army General’s, Defence analysts, Military top-brass, all swear by the Gorkhali solders and treat them with utmost respect and veneration.

This respect and reverence is reflected in the contribution these brave solders have in fortressing the defence of our country. The Gorkha Regiment, has, as of today won 6 Theater Honors, 18 Battle Honors, 10 Ashok Chakras, 3 Param Vir Chakras, 28 Maha Vir Chakras, 68 Vir Chakras and numerous other honors and citations. The Gorkhas have always been the most disciplined solders, and they have out performed every enemy our country has had to face. Be it in India or abroad, the Gorkha solders have brought back fame and recognition to the country, besides being the first line of defence against inimical forces of Pakistan and China.

However, from time to time we have heard people referring to the same Gorkhalis as being foreigners, and even worst mercenaries, the worst possible slur on these brave hearts.

I have a question for these cynics, what or who is an Indian in your definition? Because, India as we know today is actually a British creation and the name itself is the best proof of that fact, is it not? Prior to the British (or the East India Company) consolidating its power in the geographical region we today refer to as India, the whole region was divided into small princely states. The Marathi’s ruled the west, Dravidians the south, the Mughals North and Central and the east was ruled by the Koch. The north-east, however, was mostly ruled by tribal clans and tribal chiefs. It was the British who won against all forces and consolidated and ruled this geographical Diaspora and for administrative ease called it India. So who is a real Indian? The answer is no body, and who is not a real Indian, the answer once again is no body.

The people, who cry hoarse calling the Gorkhas foreigners, do so, because of their lack of knowledge regarding the Gorkhas. People of ethnically Nepali background who are but Indian citizen, are referred to as Gorkhas (in Indian context that is). This is just to distinguish ethnically Nepali speaking Indian population from people of Nepal who prefer being called Nepali. It is illogical and inapt to call the Gorkhalis foreigners, just because we have a common heritage and roots with Nepal and we speak Nepali (which incidentally is one of the officially recognized languages of India).

My second question to these cynics is, are the Gorkha solders fighting for India mercenaries? The obvious answer is NO. Once the British took control of the rest of India, they tried to capture Nepal too, but the Nepali forces were trained mountain people and fierce warriors. So much was the valor of these solders that it won the respect of their enemy and the British recruited them into their army, in the same way as they recruited the Afghans, the Sikhs, the Dogras and even the Marathis. After the British left, the new Government of India recognizing the utility of these fighting men, decided to keep the Gorkha solders and formed an entire regiment, now known as The Gorkha Regiment; which was incidentally the first regiment of free India.

This unit proved its worth as soon as it was formed. Battalions of the 11 Gorkha Rifles have participated in practically all operations undertaken by the Indian Army since Independence, most notable and relevant here being the 1947-48 Indo-Pak War and Hyderabad (1948). Hyderabad is once again a reminder to the cynics that India would not have been India as we know it today, had it not been for the iron will of Sardar Ballabh Bhai Patel and the iron fist of the same Gorkha solders that you refer to as mercenaries.

Since, then a lot of water has flow down Ganga and Teesta, the only thing unchanged is the patriotism and dedication of these brave hearts. More often than not, cynics point out the role of Gorkha troops in the now infamous Jalianwala Bag Massacre. What they fail to see is that our government (of independent India) had no qualms in using the same Gorkhas to quell the same Sikhs as the British did in the past. Gorkha regiment was heavily involved in quelling the secessionist movement for independent Punjab. Further, the government has no qualms on using the Gorkha forces in all other parts of the nation to douse the secessionist movements, be it Nagaland, Manipur or Tripura.

Most of the Gorkha solders recruited into Indian army today come from the hills of Darjeeling, which has a solder in every house. In Darjeeling, it is a matter of pride and honor to have at least one member of the family to be in the army. My family has 3 retired solders and one about to join the army, is it for economic reasons? Perhaps, but if it was just economics, most of us would have probably flown outside the country in search of greener pastures.

There is something called patriotism and sometimes I wonder, if it’s a curse rather than a blessing to be born a patriot. My friend Sunil Rai, was killed in action in Kashmir and left his young wife and child behind, I still recall his elder brother proudly accepting the Indian tri-color from the other solders and saying “wish I had more brothers for my country…” Do you think it’s just for money that we join the army? I think not.

One of the most brazen aspects of this whole issue is that people, who do not have any feeling for India, are the one’s who call these brave solders mercenaries and us foreigners. I have lived in Shibamandir, and I was shocked to see that even the University of North Bengal, did not celebrate the Republic Day or the Independence Day. If you want to give it a try, visit Shibamandir and Siliguri this Independence Day and count the number of tri-colours you see proudly fluttering, I can bet on it that the numbers will be countable, and I will not be surprised at all if these people prefer *March 26th to August 15th. Come to the Darjeeling hills and you will find that every house has a flag, as an honor and respect for our mother land and our brave solders who have kept this motherland intact.

April 9th, 2008: It was perhaps the darkest day in the history of India (for me it was), when the inept West Bengal police, fell upon the retired brave hearts with vengeance. The West Bengal police, guided by an incompetent government at the state and a conniving minister at Siliguri, violently reined blows on ex-solders who were peacefully rallying for the legitimate demand of Gorkhaland.

It was a slap from West Bengal police, in the face of Indian army… it was a slap in the face of Field Marshal Sam Manekhsaw… a slap in the face of Sardar Patel… a slap in the face of the Defence Minister and numerous other people who love and respect the brave solders.

Nothing can be worse for a solder and the moral of the army than be slapped in the face by the most inept police force in the entire country. A force which, helplessly watched (and perhaps with relish) the killing of innocent people in Nandigram by CPI (M) goons… A force which was charged for murdering Rijwanur Rahaman… a force which is more of a political instrument for the CPI (M) than an administrative body.

Shame on you!! West Bengal police and shame on all of us, who have been quite on this issue. Shame on the so called moral polices, who came out in hoards in support of people in Nandigram but refuse to budge now, just because we are not like you? Shame on the national media which happily shows for hours on end what color lipstick Aishwarya Rai wore, than showing the old solders beaten to death. Shame on the politicians who are busy condemning GJM for inciting violence while overlooking this heinous act. Shame on the Defence Minister, for you kept a blind eye while your office and post was slapped and kicked in the streets of Siliguri. Shame on you!! the incompetent DM of Darjeeling, who has proved to be nothing but a political stooge. Shame on you!! The SP of Darjeeling, whose thirst for blood seems to be still unquenched, after killing numerous innocent civilians in Nandigram, where he was the ASP? Last but not the least, Shame on India…. An Ungrateful Nation.

Finally, I leave you with immortal lines as stated by J. M. Stracznski “No dictator, no invader – can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom… Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand”.

Hope! I made some sense.

* 26th March is the Bangladesh Independence Day.

198 Responses to “An Ungrateful Nation”

  1. qutub_shah said

    RESPECTED MR. Upendra Mani Pradhan

    GREETING TO YOU.
    YOUR ARTICLES GIVE ME MANY INFORMATION, THANKS FOR THAT.
    FIST OF ALL I WANT TO CONDEMN THEM WHO ARE CALLING GORKHAS AS FOREIGNERS AND/OR MERCENARIES.
    BUT I THINK WE MUST CONTROL OUR EMOTION AND MUST GO ON THE PATH OF REALITY. I THINK YOUR REACTION WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IF YOU CAN SEE THAT HOOLIGANS WHO ARE THROWING STONES ON POLICE, JOURNALISTS AND COMMON MEN JUST BEHIND THE ‘BRAVEST OF THE BRAVE’ EX-SERVICE MEN.

    ONE MORE THING I WANT TO ADD IS THAT IT IS THE SAME MAN THAT the incompetent DM of Darjeeling WHO SAVES THE LIFE OF THOUSANDS OF MY GORKHA BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN SDO’S OFFICE AT SILIGURI ON 28TH SEPTEMBER 2007 WHERE RIOT BROKE OUT AFTER HARRASEMENT OF A COMMON MEN BY SOME “INTELIGENT” PEOPLE NEAR SILIGURI SADAR HOSPITAL AND LATER ON NEAR SILIGURI TREASURY AND SDO’S OFFICE . I WAS DEEPLY SHOCKED WHEN THEY DESCRIBE ‘HERO OF MY HEART’ MR. PRASHANT TAMANG AS CHOWKIDAR BUT IT CANT BE TAKEN FOR GRANTED AS A CAUSE TO START THE RIOT.
    I LIVE IN PRADHANNAGAR AND WE HAVE NO TENSION BETWEEN US WHETHER WE ARE GORKHA OR NOT AND WE WILL NOT ALLOW PEOPLE FROM OTHER PLACES TO DISTURB OUR COMMUNAL HARMONY.

  2. shital said

    when Sam said “if any one says he is not afraid of anything, either he is lying or he is a Gorkha”….i felt proud of myself that i too belong to that community.

  3. G Chettri said

    Yes DM is incompetent qutub_shahji otherwise he would have given a permission to hold the rally which would have gone peacefully and next during his tenure as DM BOMBs has exploded in siliguri threatening your very life in Danger.
    Finaly he works not for GOVT of India, He works for Ashok the Minister.

  4. Upendra said

    Dear Mr. Shah, thank you for your comment and insight. However, let me remind you, that it was not the DM who helped protect the Gorkhalis in 2007, it was actuall the SDO Ms. Agarwal, a trainee SDO herself, who called in the Army and the RAF. In fact the DM had gone so far as to say that this violence cannot be controlled, that’s why he clamped the curfew. Thanks to the quick thinking of the SDO and not the DM that Siliguri was saved that day.

    Sincerely,
    Upendra

  5. [...] Barun Roy, in a rather harsh manner vents his acrimony against the treatment of Gorkhas by the West Bengal Government and the nation,  Most of the Gorkha solders recruited into Indian army today come from the hills of Darjeeling, which has a solder in every house. In Darjeeling, it is a matter of pride and honor to have at least one member of the family to be in the army. My family has 3 retired solders and one about to join the army, is it for economic reasons? Perhaps, but if it was just economics, most of us would have probably flown outside the country in search of greener pastures. [...]

  6. thebengali said

    I am astonished as to how stupid you are Mr Pradhan. Just because you fly the flag doesnt mean that you are more indian than others.

    And thank you for letting us know about the date of Bangladesh day. Now in your zealousness to get gorkhaland by hook or by crook you are trying to say that the whole of bengalis in west bengal are bangladeshis.

    And in this very blog your brethren refer to grater nepal from time to time!

    Looking at your entry I have a feeling that you want the whole nation to kneel down and say thank you. I have a feeling that everything good in the country has been done by you gorkhas and everything bad by the others.

    Look at the ground reality- if you are true law abiding citizens, you would have followed the DMs directive, rather than use force against it. It was the right step by the DM.

    Secondly I was there when the trouble broke out after the Prasant tamang incident- it was clearly started my gorkha miscreants trying to show their force.And its a misfortune that your bad boys didnt get the treatment they deserved on that day

    PS just a quick reminder to rejig your memory- the great soldiers who fired the shots at Jalianwala Bagh were Gorkhas

  7. Surojeet said

    Hey!! Thebengali…

    U fart ass.. check this out… “More often than not, cynics point out the role of Gorkha troops in the now infamous Jalianwala Bag Massacre. What they fail to see is that our government (of independent India) had no qualms in using the same Gorkhas to quell the same Sikhs as the British did in the past. Gorkha regiment was heavily involved in quelling the secessionist movement for independent Punjab. Further, the government has no qualms on using the Gorkha forces in all other parts of the nation to douse the secessionist movements, be it Nagaland, Manipur or Tripura.”.. Why do U bother writing comments without reading the entire post??

  8. thebengali said

    now my friend

    thts because you are a team of merceneries

  9. thebengali said

    I hope Upendra Mani Pradhan is not asking for freedom from india

  10. G Chettri said

    Mr Bengali I have not seen any one demanding Greater Nepal. Your comment makes me wonder whether it is you who is looking for Greater Bangla Desh and we are comming in your way.if you remind us of
    Jalianwala Bagh we can not also forget 27 july 1987 Kalimpong where more than 65 were killed by your greater bangla desh troops.
    Mr Bengali but in the end comments from you makes me feel that we are nearer to to our goal – The separation from bengal.

  11. A Gorkha soldier said

    And Dear Bengali,

    Don’t try charading the name Bengali, because beleive me there are more Bengalese who are in fact in favour of Gorkhaland then you can believe and by taking up the name Bengali don’t think that you represent the entire Bengali masses. I am a Gorkha Soldier, for generations, since my grandfather, we have served and shed blood for this nation, I am a Gorkha soldier and this is my call, what makes you the Bengali, just because you were born with the title? Tell me what have you don’t for this nation being a Bengali?

    Don’t piss around the graves of the Brave! The blood of the warriors run thick!

  12. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Jallianwala bagh. It is a shame that this incident of a group of soldiers consisting of Gorkhas, Pathans and other natives who acted on the orders of a British Officer who himself was courtmartialled still crops up despite the thousands of Gorkha lives lost for India’s defence. If all their blood together cannot wipe out the stains what else do you’ll want?
    GIVING YOUR LIFE FOR YOUR OWN is one thing and GIVING YOUR LIFE FOR OTHERS IS THE GREATEST HUMAN QUALITY ANd THIS THE CHEERFULL SIMPLE GORKHA has happily shown from the time they left their home and family behind in Nepal till today when Gorkhas are recruited from India and Nepal. There has to be a reason more than just money for a Gorkha to put his life on stake for loyalty forgetting those left behind. And this no Non-Gorkha will ever understand. The first Victoria Cross was awarded to Gorkha Rifleman Kulbir Thapa for valour. Do you know what valour means? Despite being severely wounded himself, he crawled up and down the bombarding battlefield dragging and saving the lives of other wounded comrades. Read his story and learn something about what it means to be a real human being. Would you call him a mere mercenary?

  13. Salil Chhetri said

    Those who dont know us have no right to comment on us and those who cant rule themselves have no right to rule us.We the people of Gorkhaland question the sincerity of the Govt of India to adhere to the constitution which guarantees amongst all the right to self governance. Darjeeling has never been culturally, geographically and demographically similar to West Bengal nad should never be clubbed together with West bengal.It was a historical mistake and it is high time the correction is made.Gorkhaland already exists in the heart and mind of the people of Darjeeling and the Govt of India should not delay giving it a constitutional recognition…Jai Gorkhaland

  14. pseude said

    More Bengalis in favor of Gorkhaland – IS IT??? Either you are in dreamland or you promised those Bengalis ministerial berths. Also, didnt you know soldiers shouldnt be getting into politics?

  15. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    In service, no but as ex-servicemen, why not? How did Retd Maj General Khanduri, BJP party member become the Chief Minister of Uttarakahnd?

  16. Salil Chhetri said

    Your very own Retd General Mallick was also an MP and even sought the post of Defence minister

  17. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    And also ex Indian Finance Minister and ex Foreign Minister was a MAJOR in the Indian armed forces

  18. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Jaswant Singh in refrence to my last post

  19. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    By the way, according to the Anthroplogical survey of India, Bengalis are classified as Mongoloids

  20. jyt said

    Was beating of the rallyiest a deliberate act of the Police? No one has answered the question. If the rallying crowd composed of ex servicemen then should police treat them special? In what persona had they come in the rally? They were supporting the gorkhaland movement.They were purely civilian. It is very unfortunate that the incident happen but it is not wise abusing the administration, police or Bengalis. BY the way with whom are the Hill people {Nepali, Marwaris, Beharis, some Bengali (There are many Benagalis in Kalimpong who has made it their home, Lepchas, Bhutias)} fighting with Bengalis or with Government of West Bengal or Govt of India? I don’t think Hill people is fighting with Bengalis because I don’t see any connection of the Gorkhaland movement with Bengali people. No where Gorkhaland movement leaders have said that we don’t want to stay with Bengalis. I have not read anything against Gorkhaland movement by the so called Bengali people. Yes of course Sumanta Sen did write but he does not representative of the Bengali people, NBU lecturers did say but they are not the representative of the Bengali intellectuals. I don’t see any reason answering the provokings of thebengali, pseude etc brothers in this blog.
    Be confident and have faith in the leaders of this movement, they will lead us to destination. If anybody calls himself/herself a Gorkhali or Gorkha or Nepali don’t react to the provocation. Save the energy for the future we need it very much.

  21. Johnny Gorkha said

    WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT POLITICS YOURSELF ???

  22. pseude said

    Assuming you just didnt shoot off like your other nepali friends, what difference does it make to this discussion even if Anthropological survey classifies Bengalis as Mongoloids? On the other hand, if Bengalis were mongoloids, then nepalis should have no problem at all.

  23. pseude said

    Oh, I didnt know I was talking to EX-servicemen.

  24. Jyoti said

    Dear Pseud
    You got my point. Darjeeling’s demand for Gorkhaland is based on issues beyond any personal communal feelings. Yes, the fire has been stoked on provocative digs by either side. With no offence meant, if Bengalis had been made part of Bihar,there would have been a similar cry. Ae you aware of the Kamtipur alias Cooch Bihar movement? They also staged a rally at Jantar Mantar saying that they want to be part of India, Not Bengal. Watch out for them. There has to be something wrong with Bengal’s policies of keeping minority ethnic groups happy in their state.

  25. Jyoti said

    And Pseude I am addressing you because your continuous presenve here indicates of yr interest. Thanks for it. Bengal has become Kolkata-centric. The rest of the state are significant in location but insignificant in the state’s presence. There is politically charged unrest and poverty in the districts. The rest of India knows little about Murshidabad, or Midnapore, oR Burdwan or Bankura etc, undeveloped for ages. No wonder ex-Miss India Celina Jaitley said she came from a smalltown called Kharagpur that is unknown. Imagine a town with the world’s longest railway platform and many other heritage identifications and an inhabitant feels so small about it. The magnificent old palace of Cooch Behar has gone to seed. why could it not be turned into a heritage hotel property with infrastructure in place like the Rajastan. Murshidabad has a thousand door palace. Boys play cricket in it. And worse of all, the Kolkata-based Indian Museum, used to be best in India is now robbed of many of its priceless collection. The unrest in darjeeling has stemmed from the Hooghly not the other way around. Babu Moshai ektu Bhabhun. Sonar Banglaye ki hocche.

  26. Jyoti Thapa said

    And one more thing it is not just about ‘my Nepali friends’. I am here to defend the image of Gorkhas or any other community who are being illogically abused. Could be even Bengalis with whom we were comrade in arms in the Azaad Hind Fauz. Besides Gorkhas are a community evolved from first the Purano Gorkha Sena of Nepal, then the British-Gurkha Regiments FIRST raised in the Solan hills of today’s Himachal Pradesh (earlier called the Punjab hill states and before that Greater Nepal and before that in the indpendant kingdoms of the hill rajas)and now the Indian Gorkha and UK based British Gorkha Regiments. They were classified as a martial race alongwith the Sikhs and Marathas. Finally together or separate, Darjeeling and the other Bengali districts are and will remain neighbours. So everyone, pl do not sow seeds of communal dissent which will take decades to eradicate. And I do not think the sacred name of Gorkhas should be abused or kept open to abuse for a demand of a separate state. Let us live or part as friends. That the junta will decide. Also the injuries caused to the retired ex-servicemen should be acknowledged as unfortunate by everyone including the Bhadraloks. It indicates poorly of our civilsation to hurt senior citizens whatever the reason be. I would be ashamed to see a picture of even a Punjabi,Bengali or Angrezi old man bleeding so badly. Just like there is a special task force for women, so should there be one for senior citizens protesting on anything whether for Gorkhaland or the World Earth Day. Since Independance India has produced very few leaders like Mahatma Gandhi.

  27. G Chettri said

    Jyoti thapa
    GREAT
    pseude how did you like the kick from J

  28. Jyoti Thapa said

    I must also not forget to include that Gorkhas form major percentages of all Indian Regimenst not only the Gorkha Regts. There are Gorkha soldiers, JCOs and Officers in all Indian Regts including the Assam Rifles, Garhwal Regt and so on. The Eastern Frontier Rifles (West Bengal’s Paramiltary Force) in Salua was raised by Late Major Mohabbat Singh Thapa after 1947,on deputation from the 9th GR. He was also the first Commandant and the only Gorkha Commandant so far of the EFR(If I am wrong pl do correct and pardon me). I know the story of how he raised it from scratch and created the entire EFR township because he was my grandfather and our indoctrinaton and fondness for Bengal began from there.

  29. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Knock knock anyone there?

  30. qutub_shah said

    RESPECTED JYOTI THAPA,

    PLEASE SHARE MORE INFORMATION WITH ME ON EFR.

  31. sameer said

    dear Mr Bengali, Thank your God that we are actually not merceneries. had we been so your kind would have been wiped out by now.and regarding stone throwing incidents, who does it better? you people or us? have you ever heard of the hill people throwing stones.we always FIGHT FACE ON and not throw stones at women,childrens and old retired men.

  32. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Dear Qutub Shah
    Thank you for yr interest in the Eastern Frontier Rifles. I do not know if this forum would be interested in it. If they are I will definitely put in a short essay with pics anywhere that Barun can indicate to me. Regards,Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani

  33. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Where is ‘Pseude’ gone?

  34. Pranay said

    Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants, present in “large” numbers across the country, pose a grave threat to India’s internal security, a Parliamentary panel has noted.

    “A large presence of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants poses a grave threat to the internal security and it should be viewed strongly,” the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Home Affairs said in its latest report.

    The committee, headed by Sushma Swaraj, also said in its 46-page report that counterfeit notes were in large circulation along the Indo-Bangladesh border.

    “The committee strongly recommends that movement along the border may be strictly monitored,” the report on Demands for Grants of the Home Ministry said.

    The report pointed out that the porous Indo-Bangla border and the practical difficulties due to topographical reasons acting as impediments in the timely completion of border works projects were reasons behind “influx” of illegal Bangladeshi migrants.

    It has been reported that these illegal migrants have been able to secure ration cards, driving licences, voter identity cards and even PAN cards, the report said.

    It also quoted media reports, citing intelligence sources, as saying that terrorist groups have been recruiting Bangladeshis in India.

    Reports have appeared that certain Bangladeshi insurgent groups have been involved in terrorist incidents in India, the report said.

    To prevent the illegal immigration, the Union Home Ministry has taken various measures like construction of border fencing, flood lighting and roads to enable more effective patrolling, the Parliamentary panel said.

    Assignment of border guarding duties on the Indo-Bangladesh border to a single force, Border Sesurity Force, augmentation of its strength through additional battalions, reduction of gaps between border outposts, and provision of modern surveillance and other equipment and gadgetry to BSF are some other steps.

    The Home Ministry has also been issuing instructions to state governments and Union Territories from time to time to take sustained action to detect foreign nationals, including Bangladeshi nationals, staying illegally in the country.

    As many as 32 Foreign Tribunals under the provisions of the Foreigners (Tribunals) Order, 1964, have also been constituted in Assam for detention of illegal migrants and foreigners.

    The issue of illegal migrants from Bangladesh also figured prominently in the just-concluded talks between the heads of Border Security Force and Bangladesh Rifles in Delhi.

  35. Fat Gorkha said

    Dear Jyoti
    you are well informed, Must right articles, Why do you think leaders of 40s adopted the name Gorkha.
    Somtime I feel that Beacause of word gorkha we are having Hiccup in the separation process.

  36. Pranay said

    Leaders of the 40s( D.S. Gurung and Ratan lal Brahman) used the term Gorkha only to gain political mileage and were never sincere to the cause.So was the case with leaders thereafter like Anand Pathak and D.P Rai who used the term Gorkha for similar reasons whether it was Gorkhaland,Gorkhasthan or Gorkha pranth.

    When the Akhil Bharatiya Gorkha League started unionising the tea labourers,they needed a term which everybody could associate with and eventually unify everybody associated,they were the champions of the word Gorkha in Darjeeling region.

    Subhas ghising was initially sincere about his demand and the use of the term Gorkha but we know the rest………

    The role of the term Gorkha in the formation of a separate state needs much debate…

  37. Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Dear Fat Gorkha and Pranay
    I agree. I know a young Darj boy who says that he wants Gorkhaland because it is an unifying name just like when prithvinarayan Shah created Nepal and the Gorkha army which included all castes around 1765. Between then and now, 250 years he knows nothing of the Gorkhas. He thinks Durga Mall was born in Darjeeling.

    The original Purano Gorkha army had Magars, Gurungs, Rais and other Nepal region tribes as the soldiers. Their officers were still the upper caste court gentry. After the Anglo-Gorkha wars, the upper noblemen were compensated with large tracts of land in the lost Gorkha holdings. They joined Ranjit Singh of Punjab’s army where they immediately became Generals. Meanwhile, the magars, Gurungs, etc joined as sepoys with the British contemputuosly called POWs material by Nepal.

    Fatefully, Ranjit Singh’s empire and army were finished off by the 1830s including the Sikh-Gorkha Generals. Meanwhile those in the British side moved up the ladder.When the British-Gurkha alliance started, they reversed the old layers. The First Gorkha Regiment created was only for magars ands Gurungs. Following regiments were created very carefully on ethnic groups. And they went on to create the Gorkha history worldwide especially their performance in WW1 and WW2. As for the Gorkhas who had become landlords, over a period of time squandered it. Now they are resentfull of those who replaced their creamy layer status hundreds of years ago and hate the Brits for it.

    So, the saga goes on.

  38. jyt said

    I don’t think Gorkha’s root or history is limited with army only. What I am reading in these days in this blog is all about the army history. Don’t we have other stories to tell other than army(fauzi)? Actually what is being proved?

  39. qutub shah said

    RESPECTED MS. JYOTI THAPA MANI,

    PLEASE SEND ME INFORMATION ON EFR TO MY E-MAIL qutub_shah2005@yahoo.co.in.

    WITH REGARDS

    QUTUB SHAH

  40. sameer said

    Hello all, can someone please tell me addresses of major news channels in india, like AAJ TAK,CNN-IBN,ZEE news etc.I think its high time they do some news coverage,here in darjeeling instead of just showing crap in the breaking news.

  41. party pooper said

    Don’t get me wrong brothers and sisters but you paperback intellectuals make me sick. Come Gorkhaland Agitation and it will the be the undeducated and the poor from the Tea Gardens giving up their lives and livlihood while you will carry on with your pointless deliberations.

    I would like to see at least a few of you on the road and fighting the real fights.

    A###Holes

  42. pseude said

    Hi Ms Thapa – sorry for the hiatus. I was away on a training. I really dont want to argue about who forms what% in the Army. Its quite irrelevant here. As far as I am concerned, every community including the peaceful south indians contribute huge numbers to the army. Look at paramilitaries like Assam Rifles who often work with the army and a majority of the troopers are from Kerala. Similarly BSF and CRPF are made up of people from Punjab and Harayana. These paramilitaries are the ones who face most of the heat in internal security duties and not the army. Anyways…

    In North Bengal, most of the people are made up of erstwhile refugees who came from east bengal following partition. Many are also from Assam who left during the agitation in the 80s. After already have suffered dislocation many times, they have come looking for a secure future in West Bengal. There is no way they will part with land and come hail or heaven, they will fight. This is irrespective of party affiliation.

  43. G Chettri said

    pseude gone for Terrorist Training in Bangladesh – Joking.

    Jyoti well you have very good Knowledge and information.

    But why did we choose the name Gorkha to identify ourself.

    Some people even in this Blog is writing Gorkhaland is home for Gorkha allover the world which is hard to digest for Goverment. For Gorkhas of all over the world Nepal is their home not GorkhaLand.Gorkhaland is only for Indian Citizen of Nepali origin Do u agree?

  44. hemant said

    mr party pooper we know what you are up provoking us to take the wrong path, this is not the 80s this is the 21th century.
    see this time the old trick will not work out no matter if stones are thrown to our ex service men or party office of gjmm are burned by cpi -m carder in mallaguri.
    But i have a strong feeling that when you provoke us in frustration….. it should mean we are in the right path.

  45. hemant said

    mr party pooper we know what you are upto provoking us to take the wrong path, this is not the 80s this is the 21th century.
    see this time the old trick will not work out no matter if stones are thrown to our ex service men or party office of gjmm are burned by cpi -m carder in mallaguri.
    But i have a strong feeling that when you provoke us in frustration….. it should mean we are in the right path.

  46. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Dear Pseude
    I have read your views and understand your point.
    Then can you suggest a solution to how to satisfy these people’s need for a legitimate Indian identity which I am sure you agree that we are legitimate Indians. In all the states especially with ethnic names that we reside we are secondclass citizens and no attempt is made by the state govts to highlight our ethnic belonging and culture, except for some folk dance shows which even American redskins cheerleaders can do in India. Because our name does not feature in the plethora of Indian states, even after hundreds of years of residence, the frustration has been invited upon. We are not economic migrants or refugees. We happen to remain this side or that side because of political boundaries created after 1947.

    The discussion of the army cropped up to prove of our contribution to India because some people require justification on every point. Otherwise we have been quietly doing our duty for years. There are hundreds of Books written on the greatness of Gorkhas by British and Indian authors till date.The last one was by two journalists. We have not written single one as yet and dont say we could not write. The documental regimental interaction between the British and Gorkhas Officers indicate impeccable English language command by Gorkha Officers from the early 20th century. Because by nature we never bragged about ourselves. Whatever I an contributing about the Gorkhas are from references from diffrent books. Only because for information. I ahve mentioned earlier also that the 1/1 GR is commanded by a Bengali Officer and he is dong a great job of keeping the glory of the oldest Gorkha Regiment.

    AS for the comment on paparback writers. It is true that finally the grass-roots will fight because they suffer the most. But all this clearance is required so that they are not exploited on false-fed information and sentiments by unscrupolous political workers. For example, many maovadi voters do not even know who is this Mao Se tung. When a picture of his was given to replace handsome King Birendra,the women fainted in shock. Sorry just joking.

  47. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Dear G Chhetri
    You have asked me a qs. I am sorry I cannot answer that because it was coined not by me and risen by popular demand. But I am here as defender of the Gorkhas and whatver else i manage to achieve to steer minds onto logical grounds so that one day when the Gorkhaland leaders sit across a table to explain why their state should be called Gorkhaland,they are able to provide the right answers. I am a Gorkha by pedigree but if I was a Nepali from Darjeeling I would say I would like Gorkhaland (personally why should we even have an English word ‘Land’here) in Darjeeling to nurture and preserve a glorious heritage which was born out of Nepalis and like all heritages is getting scattered and on the brink of extinction. And perhaps it is only possible in Darjeeling where the density of Nepali/Gorkhali speakers is the highest. The First Gorkha Regiment today has Magars, Gurungs, Lepchas, Bhutias, Tamangs, Chhetris from India and Nepal. If they can lift the original rule of only Magars and Gurungs, why cannot it also be applied to a society of the same. But having said that I would not like to dictate on any nomenclature because that will be based on vox populis. But yes having Gorkhaland in Darjeeling doest not mean overruling or erasure of the the original Gorkha heritage societies in India. LIke I mentined earlier, Durga Mall,Dal Bahadur Thapa and ram Singh Thakuri’s families live in Dhaarmshala, but many Darjeeling youth have been led to believe that these martyrs were from Darjeeling and they have no clue of their Gorkha fraternity elsewhere. For Gorkhaland, Darjeeling has to think bigger.

  48. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Dear mr Chhetri
    One more answer to yr last question. I agree that Gorkhaland can only be born for India but can devlop into a centre of studies and research for all Gorkhas and Gorkha-related societies iternationally.

  49. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    And dear Jyt
    Gorkhas are the warriors. The evolution and reference of this legend is army-related all over the world. Cannot be helped. You have chosen this title for yourself. Good luck

  50. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Gorkha also stands for followers of Baba Gorakhnath
    Gorkha also stands for Gou-rakshaks, protectors of the cow, embodified by Hindus as the mother who gives us milk and motherland
    Gorkha also stands for the original army of the King of Gorkha, PrithvinarayanShah, a dynasty that Nepal hates now
    Gorkha also stands for the army raised by the British
    Gorkha also stands for India’s Infantry backbone

    The motto of the Purano Gorkha Sena was Mother and Motherland are greater than heaven

    Are we ready for all this?

  51. qutub shah said

    THANKS THANKS THANKS A LOT MS. JYOTI THAPA MANI FOR PROVIDING SUCH USEFUL INFORMATION.

  52. G Chettri said

    Well Ms Joyti,
    Issue is more confusing now, I thought Gorkha came from Prithi – Shah but as you have given so many meanings Which should we pick.
    “One more answer to yr last question. I agree that Gorkhaland can only be born for India but can devlop into a centre of studies and research for all Gorkhas and Gorkha-related societies iternationally”.
    why should Darjeeling be this when Nepal is already their.
    Well here the popular explanantion thats suit every one is Gorkha means People who speaks nepali but may have any ethnic background and reside in Darjeeling. Person with american origin having indian citizen and speaks nepali and resides in Kurseong could be termed as Gorkha. Has nothing to do with Gorkha Brigade of world war I and II( as Kudos goes to Nepal for that). Gorkha or Nepali are people whos tribe were conquered by Prithivi- SHah but many community lives in darjeeling hills has no linked to that history.
    I believe I am demanding separate State Because I am an Indian Citizen and our community is different than rest of Bengal. Majority of us cannot understand Bengali the State Language, Cultures we have adopted has evolved in last 150 years influence by Nepal, Scotish, Tribes, Bengalis. I can not myself Identify with British Gorkha Regiment who was known for their bravery.

    Its sound funny but somehow we proudly say we are Indian and cherish at the bravery of Nepal Citizen.we need to rethink Our argument for Separate state.

    What do you think Ms Jyoti

  53. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Shifting sands. The Gorkha has shifted to India. Most of the Gorkha pensioners families were settled in way back as 1861 in Dharamshala for example. We stopped being Nepali citizens since then. Gorkhas in Dehradun area stopped being Nepali citizens after 1815.

    It simple to understand. The glory of the Gorkhas as a Nepal army was only till 1814. Thereafter, they evolved under first the british army and now the Indian army.

    ONce in Kathmandu, an eminent editor wanted me to change the word Gorkha to Nepali. He had a complex about it. The Gorkha armies are only in India (increasingly) and Britain (reduced now. IN Nepal, it is the Nepal army.

    I had mentioned in my article on Prashant Tamang ‘Our Insulted Countrymen’that today the ratio Indian and neplai Gorkhas in the Indian army is 40:60

    By the way, the Gorkahs in WW1 and WW2, a large percentage were from Dharamshala, HP, Uttarkahand and east India. Does that make them Nepali glory? On this basis, you may not have to rethink.

  54. G Chettri said

    Dear Ms Joyti
    I might be entirely wrong but I believe British army recruits only Nepal Citizen not Indian Citizen. And you have your self written and answered that “Gorkhas pensioners families” it means while in duty they were Nepal Citizen after retirement they settled in India. So credit of bravery still goes to Nepal.
    The core of our problem lies in that that Indian Gorkhas and Nepal citizen are recruited in same regiment. Thats why we are always treated as an outsider. We must have our own regiment distinct from Nepal.
    The heroic deed by the Indian Gorkha for Motherland is treated as deed done by Mercenaries’.
    Last one thing I doubt Gorkhas out side Darjeeling feels the political problem like we do because we dont hear much cries from them they have successfully merge themselves with other communities and dont care whether we get separate state or not. Most of them dont speak Language and they speak in different Accent.

  55. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Dear Chhetriji
    You are right they were Gorkha pensionedr families but from the time they domiciled in they ceased to be Nepali citizens.

    Speaking for HP, also in Shimla hills the Gorkha families have been living since the 18th and 19th century as Indian citizens now. They are still called Gorkhay. There are old Chamba folk songs aired on HP radio which speak about the atrocities of Gorkha rule. It is okay as long this song is played it our history here as rulers is not forgotten and no rulers were ever liked anyway. If we start protesting we will be giving more publicity to the fact.

    SEcondly, your last paragraph. Every community in their accent, etc eventually gets influenced by their surrounding environment. It is a natural phenomena. But in heart and spirit they are very much Gorkhas. You might not want be known as Nepal Nepalis but actually it appears, pl dont mind, that there is a closer affinity for Nepal and Nepaliness.

    As for yr last para. Till this time you did not even know who they were or what they represent in the history of Gorkhas, a title being asked for darjeeling. Yet you expect them to know all about you. They have been hearing about Subhash ghishing since the last few decades. Now they are being told that ghishing is gone. For a local community which gets to read mainly regional newspapers, Bimal Gurung is yet to be established. If you visit these places you will find that they are still far away from the world of internet and other communication. You are expecting to hear their cries. have you even gone and met them?

    They have not raised any objections to Gorkhaland forming in darjeeling or being sidelined in Darjeeling’s account of the history of Gorkhas. That itself is a big support and indicates the community bonding.

    We are debating about an Ungratefull Nation referring to India and now you are also critising the other Gorkha communities. Ungrateful India, Ungrateful Bengal, Ungrateful Northwestern Gorkhas. You need support for the movement to be successfull. You are alienating everyone.

    ‘Mercenaries’. It is not a dirty word actually. Every standing army is a mercenary army. That is they are being paid for devoting their time ready for military defence action. Even the British army had Officers who were not British, but of Scottish and Irish origin. Only the Governors etc were pure British. The Gorkhas learnt about mercenaries or professional soldiers only after they came to the Indian territory in 1780. The Rajas hired soldiers who went about offering their services to whoever paid better or were in a better political position. So evrybody was a mercenary. Chhetriji, we should know how to defend ourselves instead of getting annoyed or petty.

    Also since now a direct attack is starting, I will be withdrawing from this blog soon because the idea was not for Gorkhas to start blamimg each other, but to clarify thought processes. Good Luck

  56. pseude said

    Dear Brothers – do you seriously think future wars will be fought by infantries? A lot of discussion here is centred around it. With time, infantries will become nothing more than white elephants and gorkhas will keep losing their relevance. In case of a future war with say Pakistan, the fanatic pakistani jehadis and military will have no qualms on unleashing nuclear destruction on indian infantry formations – they almost did it in Kargil, only USAs intervention stopped it. In case of a war, the likelihood of pakistan using nuclear arms FIRST is far more likely and probable than india ever using it.

  57. Johnny Gorkha said

    So Mr Pseude here has no confidence in India huh ??? (your roots are showing now bro !) So, are you trying to scare us Indians with your vile Pakastani threats ???? you think Kargil war was won only because of USA’s intervention ??? hahahaha as LONG AS WE GORKHAYS are around NO ONE CAN TAKE INDIA…tell your fanatic pakistani/bangladeshi jehadis and military about it !

  58. G Chettri said

    Dear Joyti didi,
    I am not trying to disagree with you nor trying to insult you in anyway as the information you have provided is so important. If in any way my queries were degrading I apologize sincerly. Bhool Bhayo Vannay Chama Paou
    I was trying to point out that the Gorkhas of other state has beautifully assimilate themselves with others because of religious back ground and also less difference in culture with Hiamchalis and Paharis of Uttaranchal.They dont feel political victimisation as we do. May not have much discrimnation as we have here and also pocket they live may not have majority.
    ANd many a time I wonder Bringing them in this actively as we are involved here may create more problem for them than us. Places were they are treated equally like any community of that place may start treating them differently.
    Leaders in their quest for power may do any thing and even try to throw stone at hornet nest if it is advantage for them but we
    the sensible member of the community should act according to what is right for our community.

    G Chettri

  59. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    DEar Icchamani
    Thank you for kind consideration and a Gorkha brother does not have to ask for forgiveness. Regards, Jyotididi

  60. sonam said

    Hey Guys, I think you should read Barun’s article on Gorkhas and Gorkhaland. It is absolutely fantastic!

    http://beacononline.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/the-question-of-gorkhas-and-gorkhaland

  61. G Chettri said

    Didi I am not Icchamani

  62. Anjan Chakrabarti said

    Dear Upendra,
    Thanks for the mail and the concern you have shown towards the incident took place in darjeeling more. It seems lawlessness is the law now. Gandhiji is suitable to name roads of different places in our country. Short term interest is always our priority. People become vocal only when individual interests get hampered or become vocal to ensure own future benefit, darjeeling is no exception. Space for good thinking has shrinked like anything. We dont know where we are heading towards? Half baked democracy is always dangerous, is not it? For your information, when Nandigram incident took place, we try to gather response by condemning it, but very poor response I and Milindo da got since it happened far away from darjeeling and my observation is that darjeeling is becoming least responsive when any incident (which is against humanism) taking place away from darjeeling. For example, when a group of lepchas were in hunger strike at chowk bazar and they were protesting the construction of hydel power station in Dzongu, that time we were busy in collecting money to send sms for a reality show. Yes sir, now we are in the era of “reality show”, we will try our best to sell people’s emotion. British left, State took over and now state is leaving, market will take over……bye

    Anjan da

    Mr. Anjan Chakrabarti
    Lecturer in Economics
    St. Joseph’s College (University Section)
    Post: North Point
    Dist: Darjeeling-734104
    West Bengal, India.

  63. Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Sorry Icchamanji
    And it is alright G ji.

  64. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    I must say the people of Darjeeling have tremendous spirit and guts. How are the Sunkosh marchers doing?

  65. barunroy said

    Some information about Author have been deleted on the request of the Author.

    Regs

  66. denso said

    UPENDRA MANI PRADHAN

    YOU SHOULD KNOW SOME THINGS BEFORE YOUR STUPID DIATRIBES AND INSULTS WHICH JUST PROVE THAT
    EITHER YOU ARE SUPREMELY ILL INFORMED OR THAT YOU ARE ASTONISHINGLY CROOKED AND WARPED IN YOUR VIEW OF LIFE :

    1.YES GORKHAS ARE MERCENERAIES -NOT TOO MANY RACES WOULD BE PROUD OF THAT GREAT COMPLIMENT. THAT IS WHY THERE ARE GORKHA REGIMENTS IN THE BRITISH ARMY , THE FRENCH ARMY AND NOW THE FAMED US ARMY TOO. YOUR LOYALTY LIES WITH THE HAND THAT IS SERVING THE MOOLAH AND TODAY THAT HAND IS BIMAL GURUNG’S. FOR YOUR INFORMATION GORKHA REGIMENT WAS USED EXTENSIVELY BY THE BRITISH TO CURB INDIAN REVOLUTIONARIES .SOME OF THE BIGGEST NAMES THAT TOOK PART IN THE FREEDOM STRUGGLE WERE FROM BANGLADESH. IN FACT THE CHITTAGONG ARMOURY RAID ( WHICH YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ) WAS THE FIRST TIME THE BRITISH WERE ATTACKED AFTER THE MUTINY OF 1857 .FOR YOUR INFORMATION IT WAS THE GORKHAS WHO CAPTURED THESE REVOLUTIONARIES…WHICH LED TO THE HANGING OF MASTERDA SURYA SEN. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHOM YOU DERISIVELY CALL BANGLADESHIS.SHAME ON YOU AND ALL YOUR TYPES…MOST OF ALL YOU SHAME ALL THE WELL MEANING PEOPLE FROM YOUR COMMUNITY .

    OVER THE PAST CENTURY BENGALIS HAVE NOT ONLY GIVEN PATRIOTS , SOLDIERS ( NOT MERCENARIES ) , INTELLECTUALS , NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS , SCIENTISTS AND LEADERS BUT WE HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED A SOCIETY WHICH HAS GONE BEYOND THIS MEDIEVAL COMMUNAL MINDSET THAT YOU ARE STUCK WITH. WHICH IS WHY INCIDENTS LIKE THAT OF MAHARASHTRA NEVER OCUURS IN BENGAL. AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF BENGALIS SUPPORT GORKHALAND IN THE HILLS. BUT WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO AN AREA WHERE BENGALIS ARE A MAJORITY AND FORCE THEM TO ACCEPT AN ARRANGEMENT IN THE NAME OF YOUR TWISTED DEMOCRACY THEN THAT IS WRONG. WHEN YOU ABUSE BENGALIS BY USING THE WORD BANGLADESHI WITH LITTLE OR NO KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY AND YOU TRY TO REDRAW MAPS ON THE BASIS OF YOUR CONVENIENT 100 YEAR OLD LOGIC YOU ARE WRONG .

    I AM NOT PAROCHIAL AND I HAVE CLOSE FRIENDS AND FAMILY WHO ARE NEPALIS. I REFUSE TO USE THE TERM GORKHAS TO DESCRIBE THEM …THE TERM GORKHA IS USED AS A BRANDING EXERCISE NOW. EVEN THE BLOODY NEIGHBORHOOD DRUG DEALER AND THUG WHO MAKES A LIVING BY SELLING DOPE CALLS HIMSELF A BRAVE GORKHA.

    I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I AM SAYING IT NOW….LET SANITY PREVAIL BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE TOGATHER AS ONE COMMUNITY IN THE REIGON . THAT IS WHY THIS BLOG ….IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IN KHAPRAIL RECENTLY THE FIGHT THAT TOOK PLACE WAS BETWEEN ADIVASIS, BIHARIS AND THE NEPALIS. WITH A SEVERELY TWISTED MINDSET MR BARUN ROY WROTE THAT BENGALIS WERE INVOLVED. BENGALIS WILL ALWAYS PROTEST INJUSTICE, I HAVE FRIENDS WHO HELPED A LOT OF NEPALIS DURING THE CLASH IN SILIGURI AND NO WELL MEANING BENGALI SUPPORTED IT. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE DIFFERENT ,WE HAVE MATURED ENOUGH AS A RACE TO SEE THE WRONG AND PROTEST AND YOU DO NOT DO THAT. FOR YOU GORKHA SOLDIERS BEING LATHI CHARGED IS ENOUGH TO ABUSE BENGALIS. YOU DO NOT SEE THAT THESE SOLDIERS WERE THERE WITHOUT A PERMISSION..YOU DO NOT SEE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO PREVENT AN ALTERCATION LIKE THIS INSIDE THE TOWN …GOD FORBID WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED THEN. YOU TRY TO SPREAD FALSE PROPAGANDA BY IGNORING THE FACT THAT ” GORKHA ” HOOLIGANS STARTED THE FIGHT BY THROWING STONES. THIS WAS THE SAME START TO THE VIOLENCE IN SILIGURI IN SEPTEMBER. LET US SEE LIGHT HERE… SILIGURI SUBDIVISION WILL NEVER BECOME A PART OF THIS GORKHALAND THINGY. BE HAPPY IF THE HILLS ARE …THE CHANCES OF WHICH ALSO SEEM DISTANT NOW WITH YOU LOOSING ALL SUPPORT FROM EVEN LIBERALS LIKE US. WITH YOUR NUISANCE AND INSULTS YOU ARE ALIENATING SOME BENGALIS LIKE ME WHO SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT IN THE HILLS.

    MY GRANDFATHER CAME FROM WHAT IS NOW BANGLADESH IN 1946….IN 1946 IT WAS INDIA . FIRST UNDERSTAND THIS . NEPAL WAS NEVER INDIA IT WAS ALWAYS A SEPARATE COUNTRY BUT IF SOMEONE CALLS GORKHAS LIVING IN INDIA FOREIGNERS THAT IS WRONG TOO AND IT SHOULD BE AVOIDED .

    JAI HIND

  67. G Chettri said

    Dear Denso
    First I must say Gorkhas are brave as Mr UM pradhan Has used his own name for this article. You Denso you are coward that you are using a protection to lambast at Mr UM.
    You know who UM ji is.
    Gorkha were responsible for suppressing Freedom Movement But contributed for the struggle also. You know the Judge who pass the sentences to hang freedom fighters, you know the typist who typed the Hanging Order, the accountant and cashier who gave the money for Hanging expenditure and other office staff, They were all your community Bengalis. So your contribution for suppressions is as good as ours so please dont try to teach us.
    In fact it was your bengali leaders who were always a obstacle to GanddhiJI Father of the Nation thats why till today Bengalis are seen with the eye of contempt by other Indian Communities. S Bose when he had given up half way it was Durga malla ji who took control of INA thats why his Statue is at the Parliament.

  68. denso said

    I think quote might seem relevant here :

    ” IT’S NONSENSE THAT PEOPLE JOIN THE ARMY TO SERVE THE COUNTRY , LIKE THE POLITICIANS DO IT ONLY FOR THE SAKE OF THE COUNTRY . ”

    SAM HORMUSJI FRAMJI JAMSHEDJI MANEKSHAW

  69. denso said

    well you can say a lot about your democratic movement when people who oppose you have to use pseudonyms and you can say a lot about our democratic values when you can use your real name to post your views .QED

    cowards are people who cannot tolerate other people’s views and go about insulting them racially.
    There was not one bengali judge who passed a hanging order on an Indian revoltionary it is a historical truth ..find out before you stupidly comment . But the point that I was making is different …the people whom you derisively call Bangladeshis were in the forefront of the freedom struggle so they do not deserve this.

    OK so Subhash Chandra Bose was a coward and this durga Malla was the actual freedom fighter. major shahanawas khan , capt sehal , laxmi sehal were all nobodies there was only durga malla.Surya sen , Bipin Behari Ganguly, Sri Aurobindo , Khudiram bose , Binoy , Badal , Dinesh were idiots ..well did not expect anything better from you .

    anyway i refuse to be drawn down to your levels by trying to equate one revolutionary and the others. i do not know who this UM is and I do not wish to. Having read his vicious article he does not seem to be a person whom I will miss meeting much.

    you can hate bengalis….. that is your right but know this hatred is not a progressive emotion.while you dote over an ‘indian idol ‘ we look forward to our next nobel laureate or oscar winner that is the difference.

  70. hemant said

    Guys with this kind of discussion where we are heading??
    Denso you dont have to prove of becoming an India but we Gorkhas even contributing for our mother land India are still considered as immigrants..
    We know that both of our community have contributed in some way or the other for our country during the freedom struggle of India and are still contributing… so why to fight on such issues.

  71. pseude said

    Johhny Gorkha – are you a retard? The people who you call bangladeshis hold the key to your gorkhaland man!

    Anyways – for the people of Nepal. For all of you insulting Bengalis and one-party rule, welcome to the same thing in Nepal as well. The dictator Prachanda will now rule Nepal for the next 100 years. Welcome to “Once in Power, Always in Power!!” :-)

  72. Pranay said

    Dear Mr Anjan Chakraborty,

    Your concern for Darjeeling is much appreciated, however to blame the people of Darjeeling for thinking about themselves would be a little inappropiate.Anybody who is fully aware of the situation of Darjeeling would agree that the people are just reacting to the extreme codition that they have been cornered to and is not making a voluntarily consious political decision.In other words people are left with no choice.I

  73. Pranay said

    Dear Mr Anjan Chakraborty,

    Your concern for Darjeeling is much appreciated, however to blame the people of Darjeeling for thinking about themselves would be a little inappropiate.Anybody who is fully aware of the situation of Darjeeling would agree that the people are just reacting to the extreme codition that they have been cornered to and is not making a voluntarily consious political decision.In other words people are left with no choice.I am sue you will agree that the people will think about the garden only when thier house is complete…same is the case for the people of Darjeeling.

    The other aspect to consider is the crumbling education system of Darjeeling.Except for the few schools and a college in Darjeeling town, the rest are in a miserable state. The quality of education they provide, the number of dropouts and zero higher education cannot deliver global citizens who understands and exercises human rights the way the likes of you and me would expect.

    The problem of Darjeeling is deep, acute, widespread and deteriorating day by day.

  74. denso said

    hemant i appreciate your thoughts …may good sense prevail…let us all stay togather and fight all the divisive processes that strive to break us apart !

  75. Upendra said

    Dear Ms/Mrs/Mr. Denso… I don’t understand why you are so angry when you yourself seem to be so well informed? I have nothing against Bengali’s who are from India and are Indian… What I wrote about Bengali’s in Siliguri and Shibamandir area is based on my personal experience and true… I have no where said that every Bengali is a Bangladeshi.. however, it is equally true that most of the people that have settled in the areas mentioned above are from Bangladesh and I can provide proof… and if you need it please do let me know….

    I am not against Bengali.. I am not against Bihari or Marwari or anyone for that matter… But I am for Gorkhali… and like you when some half informed wit calls us FOREIGNERS in a national daily… I will take it upon myself for as long as I live… to protect my community by all means possible…U seem so well informed in History, and seem to be so well grounded, tell me do U know what lead me to write this article?? Imagine yourself in my place and read the following article that came out fully supported by a Kolkata based daily…

    http://www.darjeelingtimes.com/news/Opinions/Fight-for-a-new-home.html

    Now you tell me, who is less informed, me or the guy who wrote this article or yourself who jumped to conclusion without knowing the proper background?

    Further, you have every right to be proud of your noble laureates… but at the same time I hope you have the humility to be ashamed of the jerks who are now running the show from Writers… When our brave patriotic Gorkha solders were defending the country against China in 1962, these jerks came out in full support of China.. tell me if all of us should be proud of being called the mercenaries… then would you be proud of being called TRAITORS??

    Further, your society has definitely evolved and I have nothing against Bengali’s per say… in fact.. I looked forward to the revolutionary zeal of true Bengali’s like Netaji to inspire us and our justified demand…

    Further, I take the liberty to quote you ….”cowards are people who cannot tolerate other people’s views and go about insulting them racially.”… Sir, pray tell me, who is a real coward now? when you say at the end… “while you dote over an ‘indian idol ‘ we look forward to our next noble laureate or oscar winner that is the difference.”.. Sir, do you really think that the best possible to have come from our community so far is only this ‘Indian idol”??

    Further, you yourself have hinted time and time again that “…OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF BENGALIS SUPPORT GORKHALAND IN THE HILLS”… “…DURING THE CLASH IN SILIGURI NO WELL MEANING BENGALI SUPPORTED IT”… Tell me something… I am curious… Overwhelming Bengali’s did protest against Nandigram… Well meaning Bengali’s did protest against Rijwanur Rahaman’s murder… what was the end result??? As far as my information goes.. NOTHING… In the end it was the minority in the form of current incompetent government and not-so-well meaning CPI(M)that prevailed… Do you really think that this not-so-well meaning part will allow peace to prevail?? will allow us our genuine rights? will allow West Bengal from turning into Wasted Bengal??

    Like you sir, I don’t at all like to poke any community whatsoever without any valid reason, however, I request well meaning people like you to kindly not judge the article at it’s face value and try to understand the compulsion that force articles like this.

    Finally, my writing down my name is not a sign of bravery, it is an honorable thing to do, as I take full responsibility for my words and I apologize if I some how offended your well meaning sentiments… even if you don’t… I do look forward to meeting more well meaning people like yourself and discuss issues like these, as discussions I believe lead to questions and questions will eventually lead to finding concrete answers…

    Do keep commenting and writing everything helps….
    Upendra

    P.S: U have said above.. “WE HAVE ALSO DEVELOPED A SOCIETY WHICH HAS GONE BEYOND THIS MEDIEVAL COMMUNAL MINDSET THAT YOU ARE STUCK WITH…” Yes sir!! U have developed.. that’s why all the ethnically tribal Rajbanshis and Kamtapuris are Scheduled Caste and not Scheduled Tribes… WHY?? Well!! developed mind like your’s and developed society of your’s long ago realized that tribal lands were not sell-able or transferable to non-tribals and Bangladeshi’s would have had a hard time settling down in North Bengal, if the KPs and RBJs were still ST’s… Hope you will appreciate my argument and try not to find racial overtones where none exists….

  76. denso said

    well if articles hurt your sentiments as a gorkha you have very right to react. as a ‘ well meaning’ bengali I deplore such articles too. But when you go about lambasting other’s sentiments you must realise two wrongs do not make a right. protest is a form of expression…in Nandigram’s case Buddhadev Bhattacharya had to admit his mistake which he did in Delhi. in Rizwanur’s case kolkata’s police commissioner was transferred . Some good came out if not all. As for an example of how protests are useless in the capital of our country ….. Jessica Lal’s murder was deliberately hushed up by the Delhi police ….protests took place but no one took any action against the officers. It is true that years of mediocrity and communist rule has led to a rot in the state. This is a vicious cycle and we all whether bengalis or gorkhas have been programmed to be a part of this . We need to break out .YES over the years ruling parties have ensured that a lot of bangladeshis come over and settle in India. NO BENGALI from India has been for this.It was just an exercise in vote bank politics to stay in power.

    When I say that we have evolved as a race I mean that the average bengali may not be as hardworking or rich as the average punjabi but he will he protest a wrong even if it is committed by his own community. An average Bengali will not tolerate rascist propaganda – that is why AMRA BANGALI is a joke to the bengalis where was Subhash Ghising and Bimal Gurung who are fighting on solely racial line seem to be a hero to some in the hills.

    We have a lot to learn from the Nepali society. Your respect for women , the absolute absence of dowry in your society are phenomenal and very progressive. You too have a lot to learn from the Bengali society – most of all our non-communal all encompassing attitude.It is for this reason that we ( nepalis , bengalis , adivasis , biharis , lepchas , bhutias, tibetians, marwaris ..) are blessed to be part of this reigon ..we have an unique culture that is different from all the other parts of India and should not break this up just because some moron writes something in a Kolkata newspaper.

    Bengalis in Siliguri and the surrounding area will react negatively when you ask for a gorkhaland here. You have to understand that we have grown up listening to our parent’s horror stories of the partition. For a long time we were people with no land and after 60 odd years when you say that this land is yours the insecurity in us makes us react. You should respect our feelings and be a support .

    I would not like to enter into a confrontation with you but just two clarifications :

    1. My point about the Indian Idol was let you know that hatred brings about a regressive change
    in the society. crores were spent on prashant Tamang … who benefitted sony, reliance , some corporates and arguably Bimal Gurung. That money could have been spent on hospitals, schools and other social work in the hills .When you hate …you try to prove something…logic takes a backseat and go back stuck in time. Here you have learn from us …we love ourselves but we do not hate you…we have the confidence to be happy with ourselves ….study hard ….have our children study hard and do well. That is where the future lies. I never underestimate the intelligence of the gorkha people and there are nobel prize winning talent in your community but the retrogade politics of hatred and communal diatribe might ensure that prashant tamang is all you have and that will be a shame because gorkhas do not deserve that.

    2.As for Rajbangshis …who are actually the same as kamtapuris are called rajbangshis because they belong to the royal family of jalpaiguri . It is to this family that Jyoti Basu’s brother was married.If the bengalis were so communal the scion of one of the most illustrious families of Kolkata would not have married thus.Surely you know that the decision on whether a caste/community can be termed sc or st rests with the government of India and not with the people or the government of the state. Adivasis ( oraons , kharias etc ) who work in the Tea estates are st in west Bengal .Most of the land that you ex-servicemen have bought from unscrupulous property dealers in siliguri were land allocated to them by the west bengal government.Incidentally for your information these adivasis were not alloted st status in bihar i.e the state where they originally belonged and when they asked for st status in assam one adivasi woman was stripped and kicked in guwahati…incidentally the man who did was shown on television and is still roaming free in guwahati.In west bengal bengalis took out a procession in siliguri decrying that incident and I know because I was a part of that procession.

    Well Mr Pradhan we all have our own compulsions for/ against writing one’s name. I was called a coward so i reacted . I stand by words just as you stand by yours. I also stand by my argument regarding the reasons for my not publishing my name : unfortunately your gjmm is not as democratic as you would like the rest of the world to think maybe someday democracy will truely thrive in this land and we might enjoy a cup of coffee together ..till then god speed.

  77. Uttam Chhetri said

    Dear Denso,

    You have really articulated your thoughts very well,was a good read but while reading your article it explained a lot of things.Your statement that an average Bengali would not tolerate a communal propopganda and that the Amra bengali is a joke may be true to you but not to the majority.The very fact that the Amra bengali exists nad thrives on communal sentiments is a proof of that,had your statement been true such organisation would have never been there.

    You have also mentioned that the Bengalis in Siliguri and surrounding areas react negatively when talked about Gorkhaland because they feel insecure thinking about the partition that happened many decades ago, my freind can you think what the grokahs might be undergoing living in Bengal for 60 years after independence and still being threatened as foreigners.If you rationally weigh the comparision that i have drawn you will understand the true meaning of Gorkhaland.

    Your manifestation of the Indian Idol episode as hatred was totally wrong and even surprised me that a person of your wisdom thinks so,beleive me had it been hatred it would never had been successful because hatred has never been so successfull and will never be.The fact is that the people of Darjeeling were overwhlemed to see someone of their own at the national level, they saw themselves in Prashant and thats why nobody complained about spending.

    The demand for Gorkhaland has never been a hate-them propaganda but a free-us.Dear freind, the incidents in siliguri,be it the 27th Sept or the Darjeeling more, the naked truth is infront of both of us……just one question….which way is the hate flowing..?????

  78. denso said

    Mr Chettri ,

    1. You are right about the identity thing. That is why I am firm believer in Gorkhaland and believe me a lot of Bengalis are . But living in a modern society with amity and brotherly love means that both sides have to give and take.Bengalis have to give up their ‘ claim ‘ on Darjeeling which never was a part of Bengal historically speaking and some politicians have to give up some of their egos.In turn gjmm has to give up their claims on areas where non-gorkhas are in a majority. That way no one grudges anybody no feels ‘dominated ‘ and everybody will have a place of their own where they will feel secure . I believe once this security of identity sets in Gorkhas will themselves appreciate Bengalis a lot more.

    2.The prashant Tamang episode was hatred in a different form. You people look down upon us….you people do not accept us ….see what we can do when we get together…it was hatred for everyone who was not accepting your identity as if teaching them a lesson. Fine but there are a lot of Nepalis doing very well in the national field. Ratan Tata had to wait for three years before Laxman Shrestha painted an artwork for him . If Gorkhas got together and pooled in money for a school/college/hospital etc for the hills or even got together to solve the water crisis in Darjeeling they would have elicited a lot respect from the nation and it would be more logical , cleverer and smarter than flushing ambanis and the japs with hard earned money.Might have even won somebody a Magsaysay.

    3. Let us stick to facts because when you misrepresent them it creates volatile situations:
    Amra Bangali exists as a nuisance their following do not even comprise .01% of the bengali population and they have existed from my school days …which was quite sometime ago i remember amra bangali organising a rally a couple of years back where 10 people attended…. Consider this with an outfit like gjmm or till now gnlf which are blatantly communal. See their following and look at what happens when you have a communal leader :subhash Ghising, Bimal Gurung , Roshan Giri….I know at least 20 gorkhas in Darjeeling who will cast a much better impression on the national scene than these guys. But they stay away from communal politics. This Amra Bangali propaganda has been used by communal gorkha politicians to vindicate and justify their hooliganism and communalism.

    4. I have bengali friends and acquaintances who helped a lot of nepali youngsters from hooligans on that fateful day in September.One of my friends had his shop in college para gheraoed because he was sheltering a number of youngsters. We are proud of him and everybody else who helped bring in an element of sanity to siliguri but you have to accept one thing and I hope that you have the maturity for that. The trouble brew when a group of nepali youngsters ran amok I was there and saw it…. it was hatred you cannot deny that . hatred breeds hatred. Darjeeling more was again the same issue ..a group of elderly ex-servicemen were used by bimal gurung and his thugs to create tension. the police acted immaturely and played into their hands.If this had happened inside the town the situation could be have been like september 2007 and then you would blame the rest of the state for the hatred. No one hates gorkhas ….if some politicians ( on all sides ) are leading you to believe that it is for their gains.

    5.A lot has been said in this blog about bangladeshis coming down and taking over land and property here. it is a valid point and needs top be stopped . Likewise a lot of nepalese have come down and purchased properties in siliguri , darjeeling and adjoining areas. There are people in my locality who have come down just a year ago from Jhapa, biratnagar etc and now they are active and firebrand memebers of the gorkha jana mukti morcha. They need to be identified and sent back to nepal as well. It is for the good of the indigenous gorkha that it needs to be done.

    6. A little while ago Mr Pradhan was bambozzling all bangalis as traitors because they supported china in the Indochina war. It was not the bengalis …it was the communists and when the indochina war took place the communists were not in power in west bengal . That happened more than a decade later.Regardless of race communists have supported china …be it EMS Namboodripad , sitaram yechury , prakash karat Ratanlal Brahmin or Harkishen singh Surjeet.Mind you none of these people are bengalis but major general choudhury who was a frontline commander of the indian army then was. YOu are making another mistake here by identifying a race with an ideology.Bengalis are not all marxists , marxists win because there is no viable opposition in Bengal.

    Tomorrow’s world will belong to those who build bridges betweeen hearts and live together. Look at singapore while we fight about our bengali and gorkha culture that nation is leaving us way way behind and forging ahead.some of the largest corporations of the world now have Indian heads…vasudeva kutumbikam…the world is one family. When you think on those lines you build bridges ….and believe me races progress. All the best

  79. G Chettri said

    Dear Denso Boss
    Just few of the Gorkha Freedom Fighter from the list of 300 Helen Lepcha, Gaga Tshering Dukpa, Mitra Sen Thapa, Major Durga Malla, Dal Bahadur Giri, Chabilal Upadhyay, Captain Dal Bahadur Thapa, Jungbir Sapkota, Ram Singh Thakuri, Krishna Bahadur Mukhia and Pushpa Kumar Ghising.
    As you know WB school History Book are biased they always fail to mention the above names some of them were hanged too. So please dont try to teach us about Great Acievement by the Standard Of WB School Syllabus.
    Not only School the Final year MA (history)NBU it is written that when tea plantation ownership was sifted from bengalis to Marwaris it was very sad —————.
    (Can you imagine) How low your own community has stoop down. We are a race who can adjust with any community,We are in Himachal, Uttaranchal, SOuth etc but in west bengal we are having a problem why. It is only because of your community. Whatever you say – your community is more communal than us.
    “cowards are people who cannot tolerate other people’s views and go about insulting them racially”.( you didnt like UMji opinion? Eat your own shit).
    Type of comment you are doing here I beleive one day u will surely be a nobel laureate.
    Please dont try to judge all community at one scale. Your people might be good at Rattafication and theories but we are good at frontiers braving harsh climate, enemies and getting War Medals. If you compare the top war medals and Nobel prizes. We can count in numbers the Nobel not the war Medals.
    At this stage for us Indian Idol is more important than Nobel. I hope I dont have to explain why to future nobel laureate.
    Please read the history again to know about the Role of Bengali Jugdes and Administrators in suppressing Freedom Movement .
    Your Loving
    G Chettri

  80. pseude said

    Denso may be right about Amra Bangali upto NOW. But what you gorkhas did in Siliguri just won them a few more hundred followers. If India’s second largest linguistic majority closes ranks, then you can well imagine what could happen.

  81. Uttam Chhetri said

    Mr Denso,

    The Prashant Tamang episode was never a hatred issue not even in any form imginable, it was the happiest moment in the hills and the people were spending for their own happiness and satisfaction.During the same period, hundreds of gorkhas were beaten up and threatened by Bengalis in shillong and the situation became so bad that crpf had to be deployed in the finals.Compare the situation in Darjeeling, you will get to know which way the ahte has been flowing.Your statement that the gorkhas look down upon bengalis is totally incorrect.Ask any father from the hills he will advise his children to look at the bengalis and learn from them, you dont call it looking down..?I agree with your opinion about pooling in money for greater good about the society and this has been realised by many others too.

    In case of the Amra Bengali, lets look into the facts as you say.Lees than .01% supporters would mean less than 50 people with an appx population of 5lacs does not seem to be correct. 50 people creating so much havoc is not possible.Your comparision of GJM and Amra Bengali is totally baseless.GJM is a political party and Amra Bengali is just an organisation.GJM is fighting for the political rights and recognition of the Gorkhas and survives on the same promise it has given to the people whereas Amra Bengali vision is not clear and thrives on hate Gorkhas, drive them away and resettle Bengaladeshis.There is an ocean of differnece between the 2,depends on how you look at it.

    Your have also raised the concern of Nepalese citizens buying land and property in Siliguri,well but that is what the freindship treaty between the 2 countries allow…i.e to buy land and property in each others country.I personally dont like this treaty and want this to be done away with but the Govt of India will not do so and we all know why.However till then we can identify these Bangaladeshis who eneter our country illegally and look for resettlement and drive away the native people.

    Finally, we all would like to build a bridge of friendship, but a bridge can only be built on level grounds and the gorkhas are struggling hard to do so and am optimistic that this will be acheived in the near future..

  82. denso said

    mr g chettri

    DON”T WORRY MR CHETTRI WE UNDERSTAND !

    why should i go down to your levels and teach you anything ? It seems to be your motto from school ” don’t try to teach us anything ” . Apparently no one that you have met in your life has been able to teach you anything and you are still as ignorant and immature as the day you were born : that is why you use languages like ” eat your shit ” . WE UNDERSTAND.

    No wonder that an Indian idol is more important to you than a nobel laureate ….you don’t have to explain we understand .

    But this may be to some thugs like you who made money out of the Indian idol thingy but I have a number of Gorkha friends who are working hard towards a scholastic recognition ( may not be nobel but a respected recognition anyway )and they are ashamed of characters like you in their community .

    As for the west Bengal school syllabus …it might be a little outdated but not as medieval as your thoughts ..apparently . If some gorkha revolutionaries and their achievements are not celebrated it is wrong but people like you bring disgrace to their achievements and sacrifices by equating them with other revolutionaries and saying mine was braver. All revolutionaries are equal and they sacrifices are to be celebrated but saying this to a moron like you might result in more insults.

    In British times Indians were not elevated to the post of high court judges …who could pass death sentences so no matter how much you beat your chest your lies you come across as an ignorant and deviant lowlife who is twisting truth to divide communities. Anyway arguing with a person like you is detrimental to me because with your limited intelligence , logic and decency you will resort to insults and detrimental to your community because you present a very bad picture of your community which the gorkha community does not deserve.

    YOU do not stay in HP or uttaranchal ..YOU are the problem ( YOU personally and not your race )…it is people like you who have to be weeded out from both communities and thrown into the gutters where you belong. You just bring in division between people…just because you earn your living by creating problems between communities… problems, fights, riots make your day because you have no work and you are incapable of anything intelligent. People from both communities suffer from your types.

    You are too much of lowlife for me to enter into a discussion about war medals and nobel prizes ( as if no bengali ever won a war medal ) . You do not have the simple comprehensive skills to understand what you saying .

    As for me being a future nobel prize winner ….I nurture a dream to win that sometime ….it is that dream that keeps me and millions others going…whether they are gorkhas, bengalis, punjabis, tamils ,…… the dream is to get India another nobel prize. No wonder it seems ridiculous to you and to your political masters . you do not care because nobel prizes are not won through sms polls from which people like you can make pots of moolah . You personally mr chettri , have deficiencies which prevent you from thinking that bengalis and gorkhas are basically destined to live togather as friends even if gorkhaland happens….we empathise with you as much as we would like to see you and people like you weeded out of the gorkha society and the bengali society . But for all your deficiencies , insults and communal tirades we also know that you are just following instructions from the hands that are feeding you now…believe me WE UNDERSTAND.

  83. denso said

    Mr Uttam Chettri ,

    You idea about the amra bangali is absolutely wrong. In December I have seen those blokes on an autorickshaw saying something and lot of bengalis were laughing at them.This is wrong perception that you have.They have not been able to wreck havoc anywhere.I compare them with the gjmm because basically the theme is same in the both the outfits. Stir communal passions and make use of the resulting chaos . You have to be fair here …just because gjmm is a gorkha outfit it should not go above criticism to you….it is communal and has no base except communal diatribe.

    Again you are twisting facts…the gorkhas were not beaten by the bengalis. That is a lie. The confrontation was between the locals who somehow do not like gorkhas or even bengalis and the nepalis. Th government of meghalaya is not run by bengalis and they ordered the booths to be open round the clock.This propaganda is not right and is counter productive.

    About this friendship treaty …yes it should end and the bangladesh border needs to be sealed. This country needs to ours and we should affirm it …we cannot do that by fighting with each other.

    One way to avoid a bridge is to fill the gap so that a bridge becomes unnecessary.We can do that by fighting for a common cause where the misgivings and emotions of both our communities are addressed . I am sorry but this gang of bimal gurung and roshan giri seem to be doing just the opposite.

    Anyway by now I have made amply clear what my views on this matter are and I have the good fortune of engaging in some very serious and pertinent discussion with at least some people here. This is my last and I pray for the well being for this area.

  84. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    With all due respect to Bengalis, this is being addressed to the one who is boasting about the Nobel Laureates.

    How much of Amartya Sen’s philosophies are being followed by his fans? He has written extensively on how to solve India’s socio-economic problems. His messages are more important to follow than lighting a candle to his medal

    Secondly, Tagore first recited his poem Jana Gana Mana in front of King George during his visit to India. Of course Tagore has explained that it was in honour of his motherland. He said, “I should only insult myself if I cared to answer those who consider me capable of such unbounded stupidity as to sing in praise of George the Fifth as the Eternal Charioteer leading the pilgrims on their journey through countless ages of the timeless history of mankind.”

    Do you”ll see Tagore’s motherland as ‘only Bengal’ or India?

    The Gorkhalis take great inspiration from their martyrs to India till date and it is gorkha tradition to join India’s Defence whether be it Army, Navy or Air Force. BE PROUD OF THE FACT THAT GORKHAS BY TRADITION ARE DEFENDING TAGORE’S AND SEN’S MOTHERLAND INDIA.

    And one more thing, how did tagore’s original Nobel Prize medal get stolen from Santiniketan, in Bengal? It is still an unsolved case brushed under the carpet. Is it because it was stolen by some unscrupolous Bengalis?

  85. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    In our national anthem, We are still singing “….Sind, Himachala, Yamuna, Ganga” when Sind is in Pakistan and Sindhis are in India. So people calling Gorkha/ Nepalis in India as foreigners are not intellectuals but real fools I must say.

  86. denso said

    i am forced to answer this :

    well i boast about nobel laureates because they are indians and their achievements have been celebrated by the best in the world. No because they are bengalis.

    Amartya Sen is not Prashant Tamang so he does not have ‘ fans’ …for your information Amartys Sen’s theories have been the mainstay of Indian economic planning and welfare for decades now and has helped to avert famines not only in Bengal and India but also in some of the more underdeveloped countries of the world.

    Yes it is true that Tagore recited the poem during George v ’s visit to India .It is poem that goes down to seven stanzas which i am sure you have not read .I will enlighten you on this. The poetry goes to wax eloquents about the all encompassing attitude pf the Indian nation …where muslims , christians, buddhists , hindus all live togather. All in all it was a celebration of all that was Indian…..By the was no bengali had decided that it become the national anthem of the country.

    I do not understand who is more bothered about bengal than the one who is seething with anger when nobel prize winners are mentioned because they know bengal has given the world a couple of them.

    Why does all your discussion come down to these rhetorics ? Yes some of you are in the army ( idian, british, french, US and sometime back even Italian )… a lot of rajputs, sikhs, jats, hariyanvis , tamils, bengalis and parsis ( Manekshaw ), nagas, ladhakis form the major part of our fighting forces and they fight solely for India and not for the other countries that I have mentioned.So what ? Are you above the law…does this give you the right to insult other communities …I think a majority of the gorkha soldiers will be ashamed by your slants. I am sorry but I do not know how many brave soldiers and fighters from the gorkha community would approve of you hitting out at the Bengalis in their name.

    Thieves come from all community… your community is not bereft of thieves and drug dealers..it is a shame that the medal got stolen but to say that all bengalis are thieves is an act of desperation by a person who is educated enough to surf the net and post comments.

  87. denso said

    This song was written when both Sindh and Sindhis were a part of India. Nepal was never a part of India.

    I have strongly supported your anger at being called foreigners which you are not. But let us be fair here Bangladeshis are foreigners too but so are the Nepalis coming down recently and buying properties here.There should be a distinction between Indian gorkhas and Nepalis and you loose out on that distinction when you support their entry.

  88. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    You are right. Nepal was not part of India but India was part of Nepal not the other way round. Before this song was written, India (todays Himachal pradesh, Uttarakahnd, terai, Sikkim darjeeling) was nepal’s till 1815. Truth is so bitter.

    By the way I do not know why you have gone to Nepalis buying proerties here. This whole debate has started from ethnic Indian nepalis being branded foreigners.

    Besides the Nepal India 1950 Treaty of peace allows citizens of both countries to buy land in either sides and evry other facility. The treaty still holds. It is for the Indian and nepalese govt to consider revising it. It is an inter country matter which will also affect also lakhs of Indian origin people living in Nepal today. You think everybody is coming here only.

  89. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Ans Sind was an totally independant Northwest frontier country yoked in by the east India Company in 1850s.

    The issue is about Indian nepalis being properly recognised as Indians and as for the Nepalese nepalis, it is for our govt to figure out what do to do with them. having said that breaking off the facilities of the Treaty will only come in effect once it and if it is done. Till then we have to live with it. Hence the term ‘Gorkhas’ for the Indian nepalese.

  90. denso said

    well that is the same argument that bangladeshi govt holds….indians are going and settling there….so nepalis who are coming down and here and setting down are rationally correct …bravo

    terai and darjeeling were a part of India by the virute of a treaty between the king of sikkim and the east india company from 1835 onwards …the final succession took place in the late 1800s so to say that they were not a part of India is false. Going by the same logic large parts of Rajasthan , Madhya Pradesh ,Hyderabad and the most disputed of them all Kashmir was not a part of India. 500 plus princely states were integrated into India . So you cannot redraw borders based on some historical enigma that you perceive to be true. A lot of gorkha lives : (people whose sacrifices you milk dry for your personal gains) had been lost in defending these borders which were formed as a part of numerous of these treaties.
    anyway this discussion is useless…..and will have no conclusions so all the best with your thoughts you have a right to thjem just as I have a right to mine.

  91. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Besides the personal digs you are making at ‘educated’ people is quite funny. Gorkhas are identified as a martial race hence all this discussion about their military prowess. Why you pushed in the Nobel laureates that too only bengali ones here I cannot understand. It is not a competiton. For two foreign-given medals we have hundreds of medals awarded by India. Now you will say amartya sen is alo a Bharat ratna. we all know that and happy for it. By the way, do you know sen’s nobel medal was also stolen. Lucky it was the dummy one. let us keep the laureates out of this forum. They do not fit in a discussion on defence and fighters here. And also do not assume that nobody else has the intelligence to understand Sen Economics. And also do not assume that noone else knows the seven stanzas. You are a total assumption starting from yr name- ‘Denzil washington’?

  92. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    I am glad you think it is an useless discussion. better go brush up history before 1835. Cheers.

  93. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    And Densu if you are still there and not at the National Library, Kolkata I love all Bengalis ( and I am not trying to be patronising). And India has no treaty with bangladesh nor Sri Lanka nor Myanmar nor Pakistan nor any any other neighbour ecxept Nepal. So you need to also brush up your reading on India’s External affairs. Cheers again

  94. pseude said

    “Better go brush up history before 1835″..! Why? Are we trying to undo what happened then so that someone in the future can cite today and redo it? Stop quoting history and all that bla bla about soldiers. The current reality is that Darjeeling has been part of Bengal for the last 60 years. If you want to undo that citing economics – fine! But dont teach that historical balderwash.

    And mark my words, Mr. Gurung is just old wine in a new bottle. Given the tactics and temperament of your leaders, if Gorkhaland ever arrives, it will be another Jharkhand – worse off than when it was with Bihar.

  95. denso said

    this is strange that YOU dictate who I speak about….we cannot recall nobel laureates just because you do not have any … we have to sit tight and hear you bamboozle them . let us talk facts here :

    you said Amartya sen’s economics is not followed which is factually wrong so I interjected.YOU do not know anything about Sen’s economics otherwise you would not have made such a comment.There are a lot of people who know Sen’s economics unfortunately you are not one of them.

    you passed a snide over jana Gana Mana being written for the king of england …which was only the half truth so i explained . I am not assuming that no one else knows the seven stanzas of jana gana mana I know that YOU DO NOT know them if you did you would not pass the cliched snide on the poetry.

    Incidentally there was another Kolkatan who won the nobel Dr C.V.Raman and he always described himself as a bengali.

    Your comments on the nobel vis s vis the national medals …well You have a right to value indigenous medals more and I have the right to think the world of the nobel.

    about brushing up my history before 1835…well i do not see the point. As I said earlier We are not caught in a regressive , time warped communal thought process so we look to the future.The rest has been said by pseude.

    I know about the treaty and i also know that the large majority of Indian gorkhas do not support it .Since you support it are you a nepali citizen meddling in our internal affairs. Apologoze if I am wrong but now I am only assuming.

    Spending time at the national library is a lot more productive than indulging in communal hatred and
    causing street fights in Siliguri.

    As for denzil washington…glad that my words made you think of him.

  96. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    You hope that happens, dont you? That more trouble is created and more people suffer in this country.

  97. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    60 years of ruling over another community who do not ethnically belong to the state does not mean anything. Even in the Archaelogical survey of India, any object has to be at least 100 years to qualify for being of any importance.

    And in this fight we do not have hate Nepal or nepali nepalis. That should answer your assumptions on my meddling in my own country’s affairs. By the way, Denzil is quite handsome isnt he?

  98. Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    With the kind of utter disrespect and contempt that some of you’ll have shown to Gorkha soldiers and martyrs in this blog, I am more and more convinced that we just cannot live in one state. The Gorkha motto is’kayar bhanda marnu ramro’ Better to be dead than live a coward. All your digs and abuses of Gorkhas is anti-Indian and indicates arrogance worse than the British rule. Better to live in poverty with self-respect than to be treated like shit.

  99. denso said

    yaaar I do not want street fights in siliguri…. that is why i implore all to show some respect for each other. i have enormous respect for gorkhas…believe me some of my very good friends are from the community. when you play on a community’s fears and insecurities you unleash an devil that will happen to the bengalis and the gorkhas so we should have a solution to both our fears
    without hurting each other.

    when we do not hate nepal and nepalis let us not call all bengalis bangladeshis and abuse them either if your loyalties lie more with the people from a foreign country ( nepal) than yours
    ( bengalis )I have nothing to say but a lot of people are reading this blog and they will decide.

    Well it is high time you stopped this gorkha soldier and martyr trick whenever you are in the back foot. Why should I respect a gorkha when he is abusing my community ? He has no business to do that. WHy should I respect a gorkha soldier when he is knowingly trying to aggravate a very explosive situation in Siliguri …knowing very well that gorkhas are minority here. Why should I respect gorkha soldiers who are calling us all Bangladeshis Why were the gorkha soldiewrs taking out a rally without the permission of the governement? Are they above the law?
    If you abuse us be prepared to be abused …I have not abused anyone who has been civil with me even if he disagreed with me. I do not think I was rude to you either ….sorry if i gave you that impression. I agree with your opinion about denzel washington though .

  100. Jyoti Thapa said

    Dear densu
    We should not hate Bangladeshis either. It is for the govt to check any illegal stay or entry. As far I am concerned all are human beings trying to find a better future. If you call me a loyalist to another country. Fine. I’d rather be a global citizen than a person who cannot see beyond his nose.

    But avoid abusing Gorkha soldiers because you dislike some local Gorkha activities. The ‘Gorkhas’ are above petty grassroot stuff. That is why all this ‘historical balderwash’to make you’ll realise that you are creating more problems by insulting a heritage which is beyond darjeeling. By abusing the Gorkhas in general you are abusing Gorkhas in HP, Uttarakhand, Jammu, and nepal and in the Indian army also. and inadvertly gathering their support for the darjeeling movement.

    Why did the feelings of fear and insecurities arise? Think about that? You are only referring to the symptoms.

    You do not like streetfights, but your attitude is going to give rise to many more and worse. Your imploring will not work but by speaking more rationally rather than a brick for a brick attitude. You have been so abusive but does not mean I am going to dislike all people from your community.

    One rabid dog bite is not going to change my love for dogs.

  101. Jyoti Thapa said

    In case anyone jumps at the dog metaphor (considering how hyper people are), I must quickly add that I am a great dog lover in the literal and actual sense of the word. What I mean is even if some dog bit me that would not change my love for animals so if anyone abuses me I am not going to hate the community he or she belongs to.

  102. Gorkhey Jeep said

    Bros and Sis, it is good to be back to Beacon Online and to see you people still splitting hairs or perhaps each others for that matter. I remember there was This The Bengali and The Bengal Tiger (hello to you bros also if you are there) and we had great discussion on Jai Prithivinarayan Shah….I was out for a while and now things seems to be going hot on this An ungrateful nation – Upendra Da as his best.

    Bros and Sis, let me join in a give you folks some more fuel for deliberation – I do not believe in incorporating Siliguri in the Gorkhaland agitation. This will only complicate the Gorkhaland mission and possibly it hijacked it. By the way, Rs. 50 is being raised from every house in the hills and the dooars terai for GJM’s Siliguri meeting. Imagaine how much have been raised. According to GJM estimates around 3 crore was raised in just four days. I think it is obviously pointing to some other direction. and by the way there will be no meeting inside Siliguri so where will all this money go?

  103. Gorkhey Jeep said

    And by the way, who Gorkhas or Bengalis are the real Indians are as baseless a deliberation as Kids discussing on why wrestling is called entertainment sport. Bengal included the presently day Bangladesh, Orissa and Assam. Nepal included parts of Bengal, Bihar, modern day Sikkim et al. In fact, it is so stupid that I really can’t find reason that it can go on for so long. (102 comments wow!) Upendra da must be getting sleepless nights. Or does he really bother there in Canada. Will he return back to Darjeeling leaving everything back and dedicating his life to the MAATO. It is such a bull!

  104. barunroy said

    Dear Friends,

    Please refrain from making personal remarks. I would also like to request you to refrain from personal attacks and sarcasm.

    regs

  105. pseude said

    Siliguri meeting has been disallowed and rightly so. Otherwise this time the repurcussions would be far far worse than September.

    BTW, I heard they are planning some morcha in Kolkata as well.

  106. pseude said

    Nepalis asking for Siliguri, Jalpaiguri etc. to be added to Gorkhaland is akin to Bengalis asking for a state in cuttack region in Orissa just because they have sizeable numbers there and even Netaji was born there (historical reason for the history buffs here)…except ofcourse the bengalis of that region are not expected to ever make any such demand.

  107. Jyoti Thapa said

    Barun
    You should have interjected earlier when blogger no 42 used a filthy abuse. I want to make it very clear to all. A free for all ‘Big Fight’ between Darjeeling Gorkhalis and West Bengal bengalis trying to establish their legitimacies is all very well.

    But abuse on the ‘Gorkha’-a heritage earned by hundreds of years of sacrifice and belonging to people besides Darjeeling should not be encouraged or allowed on any site. I am on this blog not as a ‘loyalist’ or ‘fundamentalist’ or a ‘darjeelingist’ but as a Gorkha. Right now, Gorkha troops (by the way in a Gorkha Regiment evn non-Gorkhas are called Gorkhas and they are quite miffed at attcks on their name) are combating insurgency in the North-East, combating border issues and terrorists in J & K, Controlling law and order in Sudan as part of the UN Peace-keeping troops. A non-Gorkha origin ‘Gorkha’ officer lost his life in the Northeast, the same day he was awarded a Sena medal this Republic day. You have insulted him also.

    Separate the chaff from the grain. This message is for all. Even the Gorkhas from darjeeling. You have taken the identity but make sure it is not tarnished. A tough job I agree but the dam has already burst unfortunately.

  108. Upendra said

    Dear Gorkhey Jeep…

    U amuse me.. and thanks had a hearty laugh after such a long time… your straight from the heart talk deserves kudos… Mora Haru… here I was trying to talk about the injustice vented to our ex-service men and infringement on the democratic rights of our people and there they go… Gorkha vs. Bengali… It’s funny and amusing…

    By the way.. Zindabaad.. Murdabaad… Karayera Khali Mato ko Sewa Huncha Bhanney Chaaina.. the moment I complete my education and feel that I can contribute towards my Mato and Society.. I will come back.. and one more thing.. we need people… as Denso has rightly pointed out.. who will shine in fields other than the army… Prashant was a start.. I am just following in his footsteps… Hope U’ll shine in your line of education/work and bring glory to our land and community.. so that people like Denso will be forced to keep their ego ridden big mouth shut..

    Regards,
    Upendra

    P.S: I am sleeping well and thanks for your concern

  109. Jyoti Thapa said

    Dear Upendra
    There are many Indian Gorkhalis already shining in academic, intellectual and every sector. You just have just not looked beyond darjeeling. Regards, Jyoti

  110. Satyen said

    Dear Denso..

    Since U seem so gung-ho about Noble.. let me point something to U.. THE FATHER OF OUR NATION never won a Noble.. and it has not made him any less of a man, rather, there is this big question mark on the validity of Noble Prize.. which have been won by people like Jimmy Carter and Yasser Arafath..

    Awards and achievements are tokens given out by the elitists to feed the ego’s of other elitists and I am glad that like the father of our nation we are not for sale.. and we don’t care if we win a noble or not.. coz Noble or not we know we are the best and will always remain the best.

    So what if Amartya Sen and Rabindr Nath Thakur won the Noble… U did not and I don’t see any reason for U to be proud as a peacock?? DID U WIN IT?? NO.. so keep your trap shut and go sell some elish maach…

  111. Upendra said

    Dear Jyoti…

    It’s not that I am not aware of our people shinning in other fields… it’s just that.. what Denso said appealed to my heart… i.e. we need to produce academics.. scientists.. poets.. musicians.. etc in Tonnes.. and Masses.. why not!!! we have the capabilities and capacities… so why not??

    By the way I was just satisfy Gorkhe Jeep’s curiosity.. adn I bet U are one shining light of our society… can I get your email?? I am very impressed.. wanna write to U directly/… write to me at.. pradhanum@gmail.com

  112. Jyoti Thapa said

    He taught Eco at the Cal Univ. But it was not getting him anywhere. Then he went to cambridge and then to harvard. He desperately wanted to get recognised so that his work and solutions to economic problems would spread to the world. So he dumped his ethnic wife and daughters. He married a daughter of the famous Ford Foundation family. Soon enough he recd the Nobel prize. he continues to live happily with his American wife and new family in America.

    Johny Gorkha wishes adieu to his wife and children in his village. He gets to see them only once in three years as that was the furlough allowed by the regt. He has to go fight a war which will rid the world from the evils of Hitler and his allies. Johny Gorkha takes a ship till the Suez Canal. He was very sea-sick and was glad to get back on ground. Johny Gorkha is fighting in Mesopotamia, a terrain totally diffrent from he came. The heat and the dust and the sand. He fights bravely against hi-tech warfare he never saw in his life. German gas attcks in that huge huge balloon they called Led Zeppelins. Months of trench fighting where your feet rotted in the soggy trenches. Johny Gorkha makes a cycle platoon in Egypt. Johny Gorkha got killed one day and his body was buried in some obscure place they found in the mess.

    When Johny Gorkha’s wife and children saw three soldiuers coming to their hut in the mountains they knew they he had died and would come home more. But the world was saved.

  113. pseude said

    Nice story – it happened not just to the Johny gorkhas but also to scores of Paramjeets and Sureshs and Kumars’ as well. One person’s sacrifice does not belittle anothers.

    Regarding the first para reg Amartya Sen – sounds like he got the Nobel only because he married some american lady from the Ford family. HE HAW – if that had been the case, how come Satyendranath Bose never got the Nobel even though he closely collaborated with Einstien? He’s got the Boson named after him, as also the Bose-Einstien theory of general relativity, Bose-Einstien condensates etc..

  114. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Oh was the story about Amartya Sen?

    Who told you Johny Gorkha’s name was not Paramjeet Kumar? I did not give any name.

    Have’nt I already explained that everybody in a Gorkha regiment are called ‘Gorkhas’ and wears a Gorkha hat and carries a khukri? When you abuse a Gorkha, you are also abusing a Punjabi ‘Gorkha’ or a Marathi ‘Gorkha’

    Your grasping power is rather poor, I must say. When I say some bengalis, you think I am saying all Bengalis. You are always twisting and turning people’s words to suit your own interpretation. and as if we are not aware of your sneaky ways of finding out dates of rallies, etc. It seems you look forward to gondogols.

  115. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Oh yes also I was the one who put in tagore’s quote regarding his poem and you started lambasting me. Ki jey karo kothai matha kothai lej

  116. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Sorry that was Denzil who wrongly lambasted me. Actually sometimes I feel that Denzil and Pseuddoo are the same person. OOrey baba

  117. pseude said

    Who told you I meant “Gorkha Regiment” only? Was that the only regiment that fought in the world war? Try telling that to a sardarji.

    OOrey baba – and how do we know that many of the gorkhas here are all not one and the same person??

  118. pseude said

    Well, by your twisted logic, if we agree that “all” soldiers from gorkha regiment, be it Marathi or Bengali are gorkhas, how come we dont find them shouting themselves hoarse over gorkhaland. Oh, but gorkhaland is for the gorkha-gorkhas only, right?

  119. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Even if they are it does’nt matter, does it?

    By the way Johny Gorkhas are only in the GRs. There are also sardars in the GRs and they are also called Gorkha Johnies. Prince Harry of UK is also a Gurkha. Now if you are trying to chadao the other regimental soldiers to get ruffled,you will not succeed. In fact a sardar will biff you for insulting any ‘Jawan’-Gorkha or no Gorkha. They have better bonding than you and me. Since the issue under discussion is knowing the Gorkhas better (Iam sure by this time you are so much more enlightened) obviuosly it centres around the ‘Gorkhas’. Why do you keep constantly ghusaoing all kinds of irrelevant stuff and trying to divide and rule. Really, Angrez chale gaye par Pseaudoo ko chhor gaye. Stay on the line.

  120. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    It is not my twisted logic but the culture of the regiments. don’t you even know Indian Army Rules? Do Gorkha soldiers from Assam Rifles call themselves Gorkha Rifle soldiers? and they are not crying hoarse like you are because the issue at the moment is social. The problem of Gorkha identity is not in the barracks but in society. And the name has originated as a martial name. As for your dig at Gorkhalnd is for Gorkhas, no it is for pseudo-bangladeshis to live there, speak in Nepali and do the Maruni dance

  121. pseude said

    aRRE yaar – calling bengalis bangladeshis inside bengal is not going to do your movement any good at all. Try holding a morcha in Siliguri next time and youll know. And yeah – I’m a bit weak at army rules. Our family is academically inclined. We mostly have professors and doctors in our family.

    And thank you – I’m not Denso. As you can see, my replies are only 2 or 3 liners. Wait for his, though.

  122. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    You know Pseudo You are running out of ammunition. Only firing blank shots. Bengalis and Gorkhalis will sort their problems out. You go to Maharashtra and raise your issues with Bal Thackeray for chucking your kith and kin out. Or go and fight for Taslima.

  123. jyt said

    Will u folks kindly stop this discussion now. It is too boring and monotonous. We acknowledge your knowledge and intelligence but for the sake of other readers kindly stop this argument. Talk something which is temporary and realistic.

  124. jyt said

    Why so much of racial slur? Please in Bengal everybody lives in harmony. It seems pseude, thebengali, jyoti etc are not from Bengal. Please if you are not from Bengal you have no right to comment aginst us (Nepali or Bengali).

  125. Gorkhey Jeep said

    Dear Upendrada,

    Thanks for the reply. Its good to know that your sense of humor still holds not as much as Barunda’s. He still seems to be at his ’serious’ best, requesting ‘everyone to refrain from personal attacks’. I love you both and of course, there were no attacks – not to the two people I dearly adore from Darjeeling doing a yeoman’s work and setting standards for us teens. What the comment actually intended was that after more than 120 plus comments, what you and Barunda intended was not achieved. Everything that you two wrote about was to make Sumanta Sen and The Telegraph render an apology or at least a reply to the most erroneous article in the Fifth Column. Sadly, while our friends raged a holy war condemning each other ‘Bengali vs Gorkha’, the real issue was overshadowed and buried. The result is that no one knows any more that the hell they are actually talking about. No body try to contact The Telegraph or find out about Sumanta Sen. No body I am sure called up The Telegraph office and I am further convinced that Sumanta Sen does not even know about this and will continue to write erroneous articles. Now I believe that the ball is back in your court – You will have to somehow find a way to bring Sumanta Sen to this forum. If that is not possible bickering with each other is a mere waste of time.

    As for our esteemed commentators – Heeeeh!Heeehee! Heeeee! :D Do you still know what the hell you are all talking about.

  126. jyt said

    Gorkhay jeep Hurrah!!! Thank God somebody talked sensible thing after a long gap. Any body taking the challenge posed by Gorkhay jeep. Otherwise stop commenting nonsensible thing.

  127. jyt said

    Will u folks kindly stop this discussion now. It is too boring and monotonous. We acknowledge your knowledge and intelligence but for the sake of other readers kindly stop this argument. Talk something which is contemporary and realistic.

  128. Gorkhey Jeep said

    Jyotidi, :D liked some of your comments. Hope you are doing well! Though found every one trying to make sense a bit comical!:D Heeeeh!Heeehee! Heeeee!

  129. Jyoti Thapa said

    Glad to have reduced the tensions and made it entertaining for awhile. Anyway Psedo has lost every argument and debate. As for those who want to remain Nepalis, why are you asking for ‘Gorkhaland’ if you find the Gorkhas so boring. Cant just take a feather in your cap and call it macaroni, can you?

  130. jyt said

    Gorkhas are not boring but the topics on Gorkhas are boring. All Gorkhas residing in Darjeeling Hills are not in the Army. It could be true in Himachal pradeesh because I have never been there. Secondly, there is a lot of discussion going on in the Hills about the name.I think Jyoti is looking at the things from a narrow frame, Gorkhaland is above the Nepalis or you call them Gorkhas, it is about the people living in Darjeeling Hills, Duars and Terai. It is not the place of Gorkhas (Army) only. Now I understand why there is a big fight going on race or Gorkhas vs Bengali.

  131. Jyoti Thapa said

    Dear Jyt
    Sorry to disappoint you but i was born and brought up in Bengal. Good wishes, Jyoti ddi

  132. jyt said

    Dear Jyoti Bahini,
    But you don’t sound like the people from Bengal. Is it because of your journalistic profession? I know how journalists work.

  133. THEBENGALI said

    Categorise Gorkhas: JJM

    SILIGURI, April 23: Demanding a clear identification between the Indian Gorkhas and those from Nepal, ‘Jana Jagaran Mancha’ served a deputation today to the sub-divisional officer, Siliguri. A number of noted academics are associated with the organisation.
    JJM secretary Mr Asoke Hore said it was frustrating that no government mechanism has evolved to differentiate the Nepalese migrants from the Indian Gorkhas since the 1950 treaty between the two nations.
    “Those who migrated before 1950 were provided with citizenship rights including political franchise and those coming into India after 1950 were given rights to stay and enjoy all the facilities except the political rights. The two categories of people of the Nepali origin are indistinguishably mixed up. We demand that the two categories should be distinguished and the immigrants should be identified by a well-defined government mechanism.” Mr Hore said.
    Prof Ashru Kumar Sikdar, an eminent academician expressed concern over the dragging of Siliguri in the Gorkhaland agitation. “Siliguri should be cleared out of the movement once and for all,”he said. n SNS

  134. jyt said

    What is your opinion on it please?

  135. pseude said

    Lost every argument with you Jyoti? Is that what you think because you’ve bored me out of my wits with your soldier and martyr talk. C’mon, say something else :-)

  136. pseude said

    I’m completely with the proposal for keeping the two groups distinct.

    BTW, I think north bengal bengalis ought to learn to become much more assertive and militant. Take the cue from the undemocratic gurungs and ghisings.

  137. pseude said

    Jyoti – where did that Maharashtra talk get in..looks like youre losing your wits too..take a break!

  138. thebengali said

    Article in Times of India

    this clearly lets the cat out of the bag. After all the rhetoric we have heard from the gorkas about being indians- their true political masters(maoists) are now coming in the open.
    this proves what i have said all along- you chaps are fully funded and run by the maoists.
    remember – times have changed- then in 1980’s there was a friendly govt in nepal that india had to please. now the govt is leaning towards the chinese. Indian govt will not support the gorkhas who are a laggard of the maoists.

    Maoists to Gurkhas: Fight only for Nepal
    25 Apr 2008, 0158 hrs IST,REUTERS

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    KATHMANDU: For nearly two centuries, Nepal’s valiant Gurkha soldiers have battled their foes with guns and their lethal khukri knives, which tradition demands must draw blood every time it is unsheathed.

    But in a narrow lane off Nepal’s parliament complex, they prepare for a battle of a different kind — not with weapons but printing machines and fliers. Their enemy: a life-altering new diktat from Nepal’s rulers-elect, the Maoists.

    The Maoists, who won a surprise election this month after a decade of civil war, want to stop a 200-year-old tradition of Gurkhas enrolling in the British and Indian armies, calling the practice humiliating and mercenary.

    It is a charge the Gurkhas do not deny, but Nepal’s crushing poverty and unemployment have pushed the valiant warrior tribe into a moral dilemma of choosing between dignity and livelihood.

    “Nothing stirs a Gurkha more than his honor dared, but here we are in a fix,” Mahendra Lal Rai, the general secretary of the largest former Gurkha soldiers group, told Reuters . “We do feel like mercenaries fighting for foreign armies, but who can deny our economic reality, our compulsions? We are caught between pride and practicality.”

    The Maoist threat is not yet set in stone. Chances are, if not the Gurkhas, the economic reality of Nepal will deter them.

    Last year some 17,500 applicants competed for 230 British army jobs. Gurkha privates in the British army begin their service on $28,000 a year. An average Nepali, by contrast, earns less than $300 a year.

    The Maoists, however, say opportunities will be given at home.

    “Such obnoxious practice of your citizens joining foreign armies as mercenaries, this will be stopped,” said top Maoist leader Baburam Bhattarai, seen as Nepal’s prospective PM. “We will provide employment within our country. In no country this will be tolerated. Why in our country?”

    A tribe of about 3 million people living mostly in the Himalayan foothills of western and eastern Nepal, the Gurkhas’ fierce combat skills, loyalty and courage made a strong impression on the British army in early 1800s.

    About 3,400 Gurkhas serve in the UK army today and 40,000 serve in the Indian army. Gurkhas also serve an elite security force in Singapore

  139. Jyoti Thapa said

    Hello evrybody
    My interlude here was as a blogger and hence the blogger kind of style which i agree is rude. But I participated to understand the real picture of the issue directly from the minds of people, as blogging reveals all the inner feelings. And also to uphold the heritage of the Gorkhas belonging to one of the oldest Gorkha families from the 1st GR, not as a journalist.Thank you and regards to Pseude, Densu, barun, Jyt and all.
    And Jyt, to surprise you further, I am a Graphic Designer fron NID, Ahmedabad. Yes I do write also but also on Design, Conservation, etc. And pseude, my brother is also a Doctor and my dad from LSE, just to clear the air about belonging to a soldier-soldier family.

    Regards and good wishes to all.

  140. barunroy said

    Dear Miss Jyoti,

    Greetings! In order to protect you from abusers and data miners, email addresses in comments are automatically deleted by Akismet!

    Regards

  141. Jyoti Thapa said

    Dear Barun
    I am Mrs. Thanks for yor consideration. Today’s TOI-two articles- one on Prachand scrapping the 1950 treaty and second on putting a stop to Gurkhas from Nepal serving the Indian and british army are of significance. Regards, Jyoti

  142. pseude said

    Dear Jyoti Madam, Good to know your background and that some gurkhas are making it good in other fields as well. As of Prachanda, I really think he is quite mad (a mad brahmin actually) and he should first be tried for killing thousands of his own countrymen and women.

  143. snoopy said

    MR. DENSO
    u seem to be a reasonable man…i agree with some of your words….but i disagree with certain things that u say….you say that bengalis stand up for equality,they stand up against injustice and raise their voice for justice to all…well then why didnt you all speak up when ashok bhattacharya called us foreigners??..why didnt you bengali intellectuals raise your voice when prashant tamang was made to look like a guard during the indian idol contest and also when an rj made such deragatory remarks against gorkhas and nepalese???…has any one supported us ever for our cause???NEVER..even if u people feel for us …have u made ur feelings and voices public???NEVER…has the media or the film industry ever potrayed the gorkhas in a positive light??? NEVER..are we ever shown as a businessman or a policeman or a student or whatever besides a security guard in hindi movies???NEVER…are we even seen as indians…NO..
    the people from the hills are a discriminated lot…we are a socially and economically deprived lot…so what is wrong if we want a separate state for ourselves..???huh??
    is it so hard for other people to see us prosper???
    we dont even have ONE university in the hills…after school only the affluent students can hope to go to other cities for higher studies…what about the thousands of students who cannot afford to do so???? do you people know the kind of discrimination we face at N.B.U.???we have to move out in search of better education…do people recognise how hard it is for the parents and the students themselves???
    there is no proper education system in the hills…with the creation of a new state the education system will improve…new jobs will be created…healthcare will improve too(only a case of common cold and fever can be treated in darjeeling!!)..so what is wrong with our demand???
    we face discrimination everywhere we go/travel in india???do the bengali people or others understand that…NO.

    even the policeman are biased and discriminating…do the bengali people realise that…maybe maybe not…if they do then they surely dont raise their voices(like they profess to) in support of us….u might say something contradicting my comments but we know how we are treated which u people will never will..cause u are not a gorkha and u havent seen nor faced the kind of deprivation and discrimination that we face daily..
    we have nothing against any community..dont get us wrong..infact most of the bengalis that i have met in kolkata are very refined and educated…always helpful..but there is no one supporting our cause..the national media shows no news on darjeeling..(till date).when a reasonable and educated man like u say that the bengalis have produced numerous nobel lareautes whereas our community can only hope of prducing an “indian idol winner” then we can imagine how the average man feels and thinks of us gorkhas as a people and this is precisely why we need a separate state..
    we are ethnicallly and culturally different and no matter how intelligent and honest a person becomes the C.M. of west bengal..they cannot feel for us…care for us …!!(its in the genes!!..hehe)
    i agree when you people say that its not just the gorkhas who have laid down their lives for our motherland…true.
    there are the marathis ,the punjabis ,assamese,rajputs,jats and people from the 4 corners of the country in the army defending the nation…making us feel safe..but the ex-servicemen beaten in april were retired GORKHA soldiers not anyone else..not soldiers from other regiments…brave men with medals on their chest were beaten and kicked mercilessly…even men holding the ranks of colonels were kicked !!!
    did the average bengali condemn the action..NO.
    i read the papers and only the gorkhas had written against the police action…some people from siliguri had in fact said that what happened was a consequence of the actions of the service men themselves!!!who else supported us..NOONE.\
    who shared our pain and humiliation ????
    whatever u say or however reasonable and intelligent you think you sound you are biased like the rest of the people…
    dont tell me you are friends of the gorkha people..cause you are not.!..cause no one values friendship like the gorkha people..we can even die for our friends..no one can doubt our loyalty..
    …dont try to fool us with ur wordplay cause deep in your heart you dont support us..our right to equality ..our right to lead a prosperous and healthy life!!!
    but tell you what ..we are not afraid and we are not gonna fall back!!!
    jaihind

    (and by the way we raised the 1 crore needed for the C.T. scan equipment..so it was not only for prashant tamang that we raised money…see)

    regards
    pranay pradhan

  144. prakrit said

    Respected sir,
    I think you are correct regarding the indifference with which our cause for Gorkhaland is being dealt by the Indian government.They seem not to understand our feelings n the recent catastrophic incident involving our ex servicemen(hamraa thula bara) has left a deep vent of melancholy in our hearts.Whatever you have expressed is a sad but true fact and i feel that this indifference to our cause definitely should be stopped because we deserve to have our “GORKHALAND”.

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  146. Jyoti Thapa mani said

    The Bhartiya ExServicemen Sainik Movement at India gate for pay hike May 27 New Delhi

    Some choice slogans:

    Pay Commission Dhokha Hai
    Ab Hak lene ka Mauka Hai

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  147. pemdiki said

    History says that before pre-independence Siliguri was a tiny hamlet with just 2000 Gorkhali population.Some places in Siliguri like Gurung Busty,Pradhannagar,Limbu Busty still bears the testimony for the past.I wonder ,then how the Gorkhalis became minority in their own place ???Is it because of the Partition of Bengal and the Liberation of Bangladesh????

  148. YK Shrestha said

    You are right Pemdiki. Silgarhi (I prefer to call it that way, it’s original name in Gorkhali). We have been swamped by Bangladeshis just as Tripura and parts of Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur have been swamped by them.

  149. darjeeling said

    guys this blog is abt gorkha soldier from india, so we a damn abt other thing which is not related..people dont go far..to nepal or british raj, etc…british is gone n nepal is not interested wit india..so guys why the hell you want to share excess knowledge which is not required…dont go to history….or gorkha(name)origin etc..talk abt what is there in the blog..our ex gorkha soldiers was bloody in the street of siliguri..talk abt that.west bengal is bullingn the gorkha talk abt that..central is blind talk abt that..a man from bengladesh is ruling darjeeling talk abt that…why the hell go to history and origin of the word gorkha…guys talk abt present,dont talk abt the past…do u all talk abt mahatma gandhi every day..i guess no is the answer..you guys talk abt him abt him on 2 oct…and by the ways its nation holiday….so stop talking bullshit..and talk sense….thank ….repect to gorkha soldiers…
    9

  150. YK Shrestha said

    @Darjeeling and @Gorkha,

    Both of u are the same person. Don’t change your name if you are sincere in discussing the issues.

  151. aardee said

    So what is the status on the 1 man commission that was set up to investigate our ex servicement getting beaten up??? What happened? Please do a follow-up story Barun on our injured men and their reactions to the 1 man commission…
    Thanks!

  152. darjeeling n gorkha said

    name doea not matter its abt the issue and you guys r not following the issue in the blog…why the hell gorkha origin is important in this blog..write when there is a blog abt gorkha origin..and the history of nepali…this blog is abt our ex soldier suffering in the hang begali govt….think first and then write…dont take me in a wrong ways..jus another nepali..who loves…home land

  153. prashantpradhanarchitect said

    Hi Pemdiki – please tell me where I can get my hands on a more official version of the history of Siliguri – most of what I have read is just hearsay and the names of areas of Siliguri you mentioned are definitely testimonial – but, these are located mainly in the Hill Cart Road area. Siliguri as we know has grown at the confluence of the Hill Cart and Sevoke Roads. Names like Hakimpara, Ashrampara and Deshbandhupara are I suppose Bengali (What about Panjabi Para) – What would be interesting to know is when these names came into existence -pre or post independence. Nomenclature is one method to discover history – but, there must be official document somewhere.

    Maybe it is not really fair to claim all of Siliguri to one community – demographically, Siliguri is a kind of melting pot. It looks to me like a city that has grown organically without much planning and therefore, its identity is a little dubious and its future uncertain and every pocket of Siliguri perhaps feels that IT carries the identity of the city. The city of Siliguri is one that is Center-less -It was not planned with one – its is really a conglomeration of these little mini-centers. It is a trading town with shops and more shops – there are no cultural institutions to render some much needed character to it – these cultural institutions exist one layer beneath – and thus at the surface, Siliguri simply exists to service trade. This has been the history thus far – however, recent development has brought with it, the promise of positive change and I hope it continues.

    The point I am trying to make and link it to the post is that – if the servicemen held a rally in the Gorkha strong area of Siliguri, I think it should have been permitted and should have been provided police protection. If they had planned to hold a rally in the middle of Sevoke More or In the deep interiors of the city, that would have been another story. I am not trying to divide a city but, even the greatest of cities like Berlin have been divided. Somehow, Siliguri being multi-ethnic and multi cultural and multi racial has to demonstrate tolerance and permit all to coexist in peace and harmony … and clean up its streets…!

  154. darjeeling N gorkha said

    if people from bangladesh can raise their voice in siliguri why the hell gorkha from darjeeling district cant raise their voice in siliguri..if a man from bangladesh can be CM of W BENGAL why cant we get GORKHALAND….IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING…

  155. darjeeling said

    this for BENGALI BABU..hello bro where the hell r u…you bro should not talk abt soldier n amry,you guys even dont have a rigement so shut up..actully its not abt bengali or gorkha here,but some guys like you make it racial…but guys like u will never come out in open say..coz u r scared…by eating more sweets does not make u more indian than other..by the way…were u born in india….

  156. darjeeling N gorkha said

    YK SHRESTHA som why you r after name….

  157. where is denso and pseude…read yr comment..prof and doctors in our family thats good man it will help us wen gorkhaland is declare..other one is after economic and history..1835…dreaming abt noble price..sun will rise in the south then you getting noble price..but dreaming is good man..even i have dream guess wat i want to build house in mars..hahahaa…wat if siliguri comes under gorkhaland..then wat will say man…think agin..w bengal is in lots of pressure man…nandigram and lots..central govt is losing their grip ….kanataka polls is won by BJP..dont comment abt gorkhas minority in siliguri…

  158. Gorkhali ko chori said

    Hi Mangoose upps sorry BANGOOSE,its better you people stop passing comments on US i;e GORKHAS.We people fight ‘FOR’each others unlike you people who fight ‘WITH’ each other.Dont worry Jyoti di we all the Delhi-hites Gorkhas are with you.

  159. honeybee said

    my dearest darjeeling N gorkha !

    this is for your kind information that bangladesh or pakisthan was part of india before 15th august 1947 but nepal was never part of india. thats why bangladeshi people are considered indian not the nepalease.

    that why YOU CAN NOT GET YOUR “GORKHALAND” IN INDIAN TERRITORY. NO NEPALI COLONY WILL BE GRANTED IN SOVEREIGN INDIAN TERYTORY.

  160. Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    There was no Democatric republic of India before 1947. Just a whole lot of independant states strung together under the British who in a way unified them for them for first time under the Union Jack. 1857 helped in ending the mughal rule otherwise today we would have been one big Pakistan

  161. Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Except for Punjab whose territories stretched left and right , top and bottom from Lahore. Why do you think Khalistan happened?

  162. Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Bangladesh wanted to be an independant country. Now why do they want they become Indians? And if honeybee also finds some family ties with Pakistan, why dont he/she go tell them to stop all that bloodshed and violence with India.

  163. Ms Jyoti Thapa Mani said

    Counting from 1947, Gorkhas from east, west ,north, south India and Gorkhas from Nepal have made sterling contribution to India’s economy, growth and protection. No Gorkha or Nepalese citizen has been a burden on the taxpayer. Everyone has and is contributing in service in some form or the other whether as a guard or doctor or soldier or construction worker or teacher or designer or soldier or musician. No Gorkha has lived off any refugee camps or stuck their hands out as beggars. So they deserve to be have a honoured and special place in India today.

  164. Bishal said

    And these Bangladeshis don’t want ourselves and the West Bengalis to have good relationships. The condition in North Bengal is directly proportional to the wicked intentions of these immigrants backed by the all powerful communists, neither of these are concerned about India’s progress.

  165. Honeybee,
    By your comments it clearly shows that you are from Bangladesh. You try to show your fidility and loyalty to India but you act like a foreigner to the land where you are residing or the land which gave you shelter. The communalism which you want to spread will be a futile attempt from your end. No matter what argument you give or the words of abuse you pour on the hill people every thing will answer you in due time. Get ready for it.

  166. aardee said

    Guys Honeybee is just trying to rile us…lets not rise to his bait…BTW the 1st to land up in Bangladesh were the Gorkha troops of 4th Battalion of the 5th Gorkhas that ware airdropped into Dacca in a 1st of its kind operation. So Bangladeshis have a lot to be grateful to the Gorkhas for relieving them from the Pakistanis. Had it not been for the disinformation that 10,000 Gurkha troops had been sent into Bangladesh the Pakis would not have surrendered…to just a handful of Indian troops all 90,000 plus of them so there!!! Guess its time now for Gorkhas to standup for themselves and fight for their own Gorkhaland.

  167. darjeeling n gorkha said

    mr honeybee
    from yr kind information…darjeeling was never part of nepal nor it will be…but bangladesh in not in india..do u know that,1947 is long gone… and who the hell told u bangladeshi are indian..man,dont try to be an indian coz bangladeshi will never be an indian..be happy in yr own country…and abt gorkhaland its not yr issue..indain govt will decide not bangadesh govt…

  168. jwalahang said

    Let’s take A PEEP AT SILIGARHI’S HISTORY.
    a) 1640 : All Terai areas including Siligarhi and Jalpaiguri belonged to Sikkim in the 17th century.The original inhabitants of Sikkim were the Lepchas(Rongs)and the Limbus(Chongs).The word ‘Sikkim’ owes its origin to Limbu word ‘Su-Khim’ meaning ‘new home’.

    b) 1780 : Gorkha King Prithvi Narayan shah’s eldest son Pratap Singh shah attacks Sikkim.

    c) 1788-89 : Gorkha army enters Sikkim and annexes Darjeeling hills and the adjoining low plains.Reaches till Teesta river.

    d) Dec 1815 : For 30 years, these areas of Sikkim remain with the Gorkhas.Some Gorkhalis settle here permanently. Then Gorkhas eye China but are heavily defeated.

    e) 1804-1814 :Gorkhas start annexing northern areas of East India Co.The British condemns this in strongest terms.

    f) Lord Hastings declares war with Nepal.As resultant, Nepal start losing the annexed areas.

    g) 4th Feb,1816 : Battle of Makwanpur.The last war between Gorkhas and the British. East India Co loses 2 officers and 222 soldiers.About 800 Gorkhas are martyred.

    h) 4 March,1816 : Peace Treaty at Sugauli, twenty miles from Raxaul(Bihar).Nepal loses the captured areas including that belonged to Sikkim(Darjeeling hills ,Siligarhi,Jalpaiguri and the low lying areas til Teesta river).Gorkhas join the British India with their LAND.The British starts recruting Gorkhas in the Fauj.

    i) 1836 : British starts planting tea in Darjeeling hills. Though, some ethnic tribes like Lepchas and Limbus (now they are assimilated in Gorkha community) resided in the area in few numbers,other communities of the Gorkhas are brought in to work as Tea workers.

    j) The British builds the Siligarhi Railway Station to facilitate the transportation of tea.

    k) To connect the Hills with Siligarhi,THE DARJEELING HIMALAYAN RAILWAY is born.Hundreds are Gorkhas come here to work as labourers.Almost all of them become victims of Malaria and other tropical diseases. Many are killed by wild animals and snake-bites.

    l) 1907 : Siligarhi declared Sub-Division.Population 2000 only.Some Hindi speaking and Bengali families were there.But, the majority of the population were the Gorkhalis.

    m) 1928 : Siligarhi Town Committee is formed.GEORGE MAHBERT SUBBA (Limbu)a Gorkhali, is appointed as its first president.He held the post for 20 years till 1949.

    n) 1942 : Thousands of displaced Gorkhalis flee Burma.Some settles in the North East. GEORGE MAHBERT SUBBA arranges land for them in Siligarhi. And the place was called BURMA BUSTY.THIS PLACE WAS later came to be known as Ashrampara .The fate of the displaced Gorkhalis is not known.

    o) 1946-47 : PARTITION of the country. Thousands of Hindu Bengalees flee Bangladesh. Siligarhi and the adjoining areas become their NEW HOME !!!

    p) 1949 : Siligarhi is declared a Municipality.

    q) 1951 : First municipal Elections in Siligarhi. Mr. BAGHBIR GURUNG ,a Gorkhali, is elected as Commissioner of Ward No 1.He was the first Gorkhali Commissioner.

    r) 1950 : INDO-NEPAL Friendship Treaty signed. Provisions were made for FREE TRADE and OPEN BORDER. Provision made for continuation of Gorkhalis to get recruited in the Indian Army. INDIA enjoys MAXIMUM BENEFIT from this TREATY specially in TRADE and COMMERCE.

    s) 1952 : General Elections in India. GEORGE MAHBERT SUBBA elected to the Legislative Assembly from Siligarhi-Kurseong Constituency.

    t) 1956 : States Re-Organisation Commission formed.THE UNRESOLVED GORKHA AREAS left mid-way by the BRITISH officially becomes the part of WEST BENGAL !!!!!!!!!!

    In memory to the valiant dead GORKHAS !!!!!!!!!

  169. gorkhe _joshi said

    dear frns,
    Why are we trying to impress Bongs that Siliguri & Terai is part of Gorkhaland at all? CM Babu has outrightly scrapped Sparate state issue.
    Now we have to tell, impress, Delhiwallas.

    Let Bongs be busy with Magassasy, Noble and many other prizes, Culture etc. This is a PILL given to them by Britishers and they are still happy about it.

    One Scholar once said “India will think tommorrow what Bengal thinks today” but now things have changed. And same Mumbai is Financial Capital and WB is not having anything left of BRITISH Financial Capital Status anymore.

  170. jwalahang said

    Don’t forget bro….HISTORY has repeated now and then…!!!

  171. The Bengali said

    You are right Jwalahang, whatever that means…Just a thought though instead of An Ungrateful Nation… why not Ungrateful Gorkhas…Nepali (sic). Ha Ha, it is good to be back!

  172. darjeeling n gorkha said

    wat to say abt the bengali…man i feel sorry for you and yr thoughts…i feel yr mind needs some clearling…..plz do bro

  173. Jyoti Thapa mani said

    Tio manchhe ko mukhe lagna chahinna

  174. Dipak Basu said

    It is essential to expell all Nepalese from Darjeeling distrct and from west Bengal. They are foreigners, people of Nepal. Foreigners in no country of the world can demand s separate state. Having destroying Nepal, they are not ready destroy India bit by bit. Today it is Darjeeling, then Terai, Then Kumaun, Then Garwal: there will be no end of their demand. Nepalese menace was stopped by the British and the Chinese in early 19th century. After that the British tought them their right place as servants, cook, door keepers. However, due to the hospitality of India for the last 60 years in West Bengal, these ungrateful people forgot their correct position in the society and started again to demonstrate their ugly Kurki to take over lands of other people.
    Indo-Nepal Treaty by which these Nepalese came to India and lived ever since is now defunct, as it was a treaty between the King of Nepal, who does not exist and the Government of India. As a result, present India government and the state government of west Bengal has no obligation towards these violent Nepalese. All Nepalese should be expelled back to Nepal. Then only there would be peace in Darjeeling.
    Nepalese are violent people; they were violent throughout their history, as a result they got the name of their capital as ‘heads cut off’. These violent people do not deserve to stay in India.

  175. Niraj said

    Hi Basu,

    bowoooo…Take out your frustration by writing your won History.We dont mind you are satisfied with your own history.

    Carry on we will waste our time by reading your comment.hahahahahaha.

    JAI GORKHA.

  176. YK Shrestha said

    Dipak Basu, go and hide under Jyoti Basu’s dhoti, u scum!!

  177. Eno Panlook said

    I sincerely feel that this is not the time to antagonise another group of valiant and faithful defenders of the country. Time has come for the Indian Government to act seriously, sensibly and responsibly. Otherwise, there is another Kashmir in the making.

    Eno C. Panlook

  178. patley bas ko unpad said

    dipak basu…true there will be peace in the darjeeling hills if you throw out the nepalis..that is because there won’t be anyone there after that..what you would have achieved is the so called the peace of the graveyard….now isn’t that a tempting prospect…if you want peace in kolkota…if you want less rapists and murderers..and thugs and pickpockets…just throw out the….well yes the majority…

  179. honeybee said

    Jyoti Mukhia Says:
    June 5, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Honeybee,
    By your comments it clearly shows that you are from Bangladesh. You try to show your fidility and loyalty to India but you act like a foreigner to the land where you are residing or the land which gave you shelter. The communalism which you want to spread will be a futile attempt from your end. No matter what argument you give or the words of abuse you pour on the hill people every thing will answer you in due time. Get ready for it.

    RESPECTED MS/MR/??/!! Jyoti Mukhia

    I THINK YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ANSWER ON 12TH OF JUNE 2008.

    WE WILL FIGHT UNTO DEATH AGAINST THE SEPARATION OF WEST BENGAL.

  180. JTM said

    The Gorkhas will fight and live
    You want to fight till death?. Pl dont because noone will make a freedom martyr out of you. There is no space for any more statues

  181. Zinda hu said

    Jyoti Mukhia Says:
    June 5, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Honeybee,
    By your comments it clearly shows that you are from Bangladesh. You try to show your fidility and loyalty to India but you act like a foreigner to the land where you are residing or the land which gave you shelter. The communalism which you want to spread will be a futile attempt from your end. No matter what argument you give or the words of abuse you pour on the hill people every thing will answer you in due time. Get ready for it.

    RESPECTED MS/MR/??/!! Jyoti Mukhia

    I THINK YOU HAVE GOT YOUR ANSWER ON 12TH OF JUNE 2008.

    WE WILL FIGHT UNTO DEATH AGAINST THE SEPARATION OF WEST BENGAL.

    Dude! die you shall then!!!!

    gone are the days when gorka used to fight with khukri, Bimal gurung may vouch for Gandhigir, but some of us living abroad will may change the strategy and fund the movement to the fullest to the extent of kashmir.

    But side unglie se ghe nikle to tera kyon karna….
    Dude! beleive me you are better off with Darjeeling than kolkatta, You cause for development of the NB area will be heard early here than down south. Check the living quality of Darjeeling and compared it with NJP, and siliguri. I guess you got my point.

  182. Edward HArry JAmes said

    A Big Selute to Him
    Be A Field Marshal Or What ever By Rank
    A Selute To all the Three Forces

    JAI HIND

  183. Zind Hu,
    You sound like terrorist outfit. I am afraid of you. I surrender…

  184. YK Shrestha said

    @ Zinda hu .

    If you breed like rabbits, that is (Check the living quality of Darjeeling and compared it with NJP, and siliguri.) what is going to happen. Go for family planning man. You guys are breeding like rabbits and gobbling up Assam ,Meghalaya, Tripura and what else you want? 20 crores+ population you have, then obviously poverty will be there. You need to go for family planning.

  185. Rewat said

    Jai Gorkha. Thats all I have to say.

  186. virender singh said

    Farewell to Sam Bahadur. My deepest condolences. As Sam said “If any one says he is not afraid of anything, either he is lying or he is a Gorkha”.

    Jai Mahakali, Ayo Gorkhali

  187. Dr Death said

    This Barun Roy fellow sounds like a Bengali. Would be curious to know what he likes about the Gorkhas to support their movement. As to the other posters on both sides of the issue I see a lot of emotion and posturing but not much logic or integrity.

    But the bottomline is that India made a great mistake by recruiting the aggressive and uncontrollable Gurkhas as cannon fodder. Perhaps the new Maoist Govt. in Nepal will put an end to it – but they seem to have other priorities !

  188. Chankhey said

    Dr. Death, For one thing you must be new here. Barun Roy is more Gorkhali than you and me taken together. You don’t need to be curious but simply maintain your idiotic perspective of your self bloated Gorkha image. I am a Gorkha and yet I find Barun more Gorkha than me.

    On the other note, now that your Glorious self is here, I hope you will put in more sense to the proceedings.

    Hail Dr. Death the Glorious Idiot!

  189. Nisha said

    Dipak Basu..!!

    yeah! as YK Shrestha says..you really need to go and hide under Jyoti Basu’s dhoti..ha ha! thats the best shelter you will be provided with..!!

    and what are you talking about gurkhas (Nepalese) being foreigners in their own land..just watch out for your tongue..u CRAZY..”B*&&%#@%T”!!! I am not pin pointing the whole of bengalis..but for you fellow..u seem to have gone alien in our land..!! expelling Nepalese from their land is not an easy job man..its like taking out blood from a stone..can you do that??!!

    By the way..what did you comment on our KHUKURI..ugly!!you are ignorant or you are trying to act like one…on this subject..we honour and take pride and khukuri represents the brave Nepalese..and mind you babu moshai..the word ugly is wrongly intepreted..coz for me and the rest of the Nepalse..Khukuri is the beautiful, sleek and at the sametime dangerously slashy..!! do you really want to get your neck slashed..!! as far as khukuri is famous..let me tell you..my clients from abroad always requests my boss to bring khukuri as a souvenir from Nepal..or the land of the Nepalese..and its my pleasure to remind you..most of the clients happen to be INDIANS..

  190. I am Watching said

    Nisha U are superb….

  191. reply said

    whenever i want to leave a comment this dude dipak basu..is there and talking shit abt gorkhas…everytime talking abt nepali are voilent…foreigners…this man does not know abt the history..he is making fool out of himself….guys like dipak basu make me feel beat the shit of the begali…but things has changed

  192. abdul kalam said

    After reading the article and the comments I am wondering what should I call myself. Though I live in Darjeeling, neither i can call myself a gurkha nor a begali. After reading the comments one can feel the strong ethnic feeling that is embedded in our people.

    So in reference to the above comments i was tempted to track down my own ethnicity. In the process i found that the muslims in this country come from different regions of Asia: Turkey, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Persia and China.

    So I really am confused on my ethnicity. Hope someone can help me.

  193. abdul kalam said

    I also found that the muslims living in the Gilghit region of Kashmir are of Greek origin.

  194. Silgarhi,Dooars,Bhaktinagar said

    Aree Abdul bhai, timi ta Gorkha nai ho ni hou. Kasto kura garekp manche!! Anta hija Eid ma ta bolayneou ta. Eklai, eklai kahdai basyou hia, mora :-)

  195. Birsa Munda said

    Lies galore! Bengal government has always cooperated with elected bodies. In fact Bimal gurung is trying to become the father of a new state which is imptractical. How the question of 1907 arise. India was in the hands of British then. Since then so many states has undergone so many changes. Does it mean that West Bengal should be reunited with East Bengal? Bimal is working as an agent of foreign vested interests. If a small state with an area less than 1000 square KM is created then hundreds of such states has to be created for other ethnic communities in India. This will then be the begining of disintegration of India and that is what exactly Bimal wants. If he is sincere, he can demand integration of Darjeeling into Sikkim which too is a land of Nepalis.

  196. DB Gurung said

    Bengali Bagao, Hills Bachao…Fantasti article…slam DM and the hegemoy of West Bengal

  197. RAJA said

    What’s the percentage of bengalis staying in hills?? If you cant adjust with less than 5% bengalis as your neighbour then you peoples are not deserve to demand for new state…..as we dont want one more maharastra….

  198. patleybas ko unpad said

    #193″So in reference to the above comments i was tempted to track down my own ethnicity. In the process i found that the muslims in this country come from different regions of Asia: Turkey, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Persia and China.”

    this is definitely wishful thinking…painstaking genetic research has conclusively proved that a large percentage of Indian muslims are indeed of Indian ethnicity…(that is they were indigenous)
    which means rather than being a repository of foreign genes, muslims in modern india are descendants of local people who converted in the past..

    ..there is this trend amongst Indian muslims to trace arabic or other strains into their lineage because such pedigree adds to the snob value…but the fact of the matter, as has been scientifically proven, is that they are indeed very much as indian as your average bihari or up-ite…
    of course that does not mean that we don’t have muslims who can trace their ancestry to Turkey or Tibet..but these definitely are in the minority…

    for further enlightenment abdul kalaam can read :http://www.islamtoday.net/english/showme2.cfm?cat_id=38&sub_cat_id=1032

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