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Importance and Significance of Education in Darjeeling

Posted by barunroy on May 15, 2008

By Ichamani Chettri

We know the significance and importance of Education in our life, but yet we are careless. We know this to be the age of Information and Technology but yet we are in Stone Age!

Why aren’t there any Army officers, Naval officers, Air force Officers, I.A.S officers, I.P.S officers, Engineers, Doctors, I.F.S. officers, Ambassadors or other Administrative and Executive officers?

Hardly 0.000006% of our people are I.A.S officer and most of them come from SC or ST quota, percentage is taken 10 out of 1.5 million). Here the percentage is so low that the real question that arises is when will it reach 1 per cent.

If we will not do anything now then our percentage will decrease instead of increasing.

The one and only solution for this is education. I don’t want to say that we are not educated, we are educated If we get our statehood then I am sure our state will be a Liberated state in India with more then 95% literacy rate. The problem is we have college without subjects and lecturers, we don’t have good labs for science colleges, we don’t have options to choose the subjects, we are forced to take compulsory subjects.

Let us take the example of Kurseong College, in Science faculty (Math’s, Physics, Chemistry) are compulsory they don’t have a options to take a combination of (Maths, Physics and Geography), (Mathematics, Chemistry, Statistics), (Mathematics, Physics, Electronics), (Mathematics, Statistics, Geography)…..etc, there are so many other subjects till now we don’t the name of those subject.

Second problem is the syllabus which is offered to us is not good, because I have completed my Madhyamik Pariksha from Pushpa Rani School. I am also the student of Mr. Surendra Podder who is journalist of Himalaya Darpan, teacher of Pushpa Rani School and Member of Kurseong Municipality, whenever he used to come to our class he always said “Throw your learning English in Dhobi Khola”, I do agree with him because the standard was very low. In class nine and Ten we never studied about “Matrix” where as the student of I.C.S.E have to study “Matrix Addition and Matrix Subtraction”, ”Matrix multiplication and their properties “ are included in the syllabus of I.S.C even in the syllabus of C.B.S.E we can find these topics, but in our west Bengal syllabus we didn’t see the word “Matrix” till class 12th mathematics. After class 12th we are eligible to appear for NDA Entrance test which is conducted by UPSC. In such test some questions are asked about “Matrix”, Now tell me how we can take commission in Defense without studying “Matrix”. I have given you the example of Mathematics, may be something is happening with other subject also.

Here what I mean to say is that the path which was shown to us we are still following that path we never tried or trying to bring twist to our path. Now I request to all the people of Darjeeling its time to work hard because now its time prepare our own syllabus. My humble request to Surendra sir, Alley Sir, Sushila Madam and also other teachers of Pushparani school and entire teachers, lecturers, If we found in book that something wrong about the syllabus then we have to change the syllabus because your experience of Teaching Knows what is the syllabus of Class 8th ,9th ,10th comparing with other boards.

Surendra Sir, please don’t mind let me tell you the fact because whatever mistake you have done in future it should not be repeated by others .If you had done something at that time then I believe our syllabus might have been changed and instead of learning English our students were/are studying some other English. Today I can’t write good English why? Because I have studied learning English rather then other good English. Also I still remember whenever you used to take our class at that times you used to say that what is the use of studying History, Geography ??, We don’t know about our grandfather history but we are studying about Babar, Akbar and ……… . In geography we are studying about food grains which we cannot produce in Darjeeling. These subjects are useless instead of these subjects there must be class where we can teach our students about the work of Cobbler, Barber, Tailor……………………………………………,Sir If you will teach us like this then all the student of Pushparani will be Barber , Cobbler, Tailor and………. .Sir now we have to be advance we have to think something unique something extra ordinary. We will study History, Geography, Learning English beside this we will teach our student something technical Such as lab Technician (D.M.L.T), Computer related diplomas or programming, Diploma in electronics. Such type of courses we can introduce in Pushparani School even in other school.

If we are offered good subjects, good teachers then definitely we will achieve and cross the above mentioned percentage. For this target great efforts must be given by the teachers you are responsible to build our District, State and Country. Specially I request the Intellectuals and political Leaders of Darjeeling Such as Dr. M. P. Lama, Dr. Harka Bhadur Chettri, Mr. Bimal Gurung to bring the changes in the field of Education so that every body in Darjeeling can understand and study the subjects by their interest and choices. We have to introduce so many departments and subjects in each and every college of Darjeeling, Kurseong, Kalimpong and even in Sikkim. Also we have to build Degree college for Engineering, Medical Science, Pharmacy, Law, Management etc……..

These changes should be done immediately then only we can be Army officer, naval officer, Air force Officer, I.A.S officer, I.P.S officer, Engineer, Doctor, I.F.S. officer, Ambassador or other Administrative or Executive officer.

101 Responses to “Importance and Significance of Education in Darjeeling”

  1. Bishal Rai 'Kirath' said

    In Hills (esp. in Madhyamik Borad School)English is taught in Nepali.

    Teaching English in Nepali should be avoided.

  2. YK Shrestha said

    Correct/True. All the subjects are taught in Nepali. I had great difficulty in picking up English. I could not speak English properly even when I was doing graduation. English Schools like St. Robert’s , St. Teresa should teach and explain the subjects in English as is done in North Point and other ICSE schools.

  3. Dinesh said

    Varsha says
    It is true that proper education makes a person not only a good human being but also a good citizen. Earlier though medium of instruction in schools were nepali but the standard of both the nepali and english were good. And credit truely goes to those excellent teachers who dedicated their time and energy to make their pupil lover of literature. I also think elders played significant role in generating interest amongst their siblings towards literature by being themselves voracious readers.I always watched my elder sisters enjoying differnt types of books and discussing about them, then I too started flicking the pages of books thats how I also developed interst in books.However, nowadays interst lies generally somewhere else maybe TV serials or fashion. Reading always helps by providing various informations about different subjects.

  4. Gorkhey Jeep said

    Dear Friends,

    Don’t underestimate the Nepali Medium schools that much. The number of IAS, IPS and the rest are from Nepali schools. Knowing English alone doesn’t make the difference. It also depends on the students. You need to want to do the best in your life. If you want to become and IAS officer, you will become an IAS depending up how much determined that you are. We are so accustomed to making excuses that nothing ever seems to work for us.

  5. barunroy said

    I have to agree with Gorkhey Jeep’s sentiments. It is not that we lack education. We have the best of schools in India and arguable in the world and I will have to include St. Teresa’s School, St. Robert’s School along with the list of St. Paul’s School, St. Joseph’s School, Vidya Vikash Academy, Mount Hermon. This is only from Darjeeling. Kurseong is famous for great schools and so is Kurseong. The Government High School, Darjeeling has been declared as the heritage site. Now we have also had and have the best of teachers. But what i have noticed through my numerous interactions with students and schools through my numerous seminars and workshops is that there is a distinct lack of motivation amongst both students and teachers. During a seminar at one of Darjeeling’s Prominent Schools, when asked “how many would like to do their masters or go for higher studies”, in the assemblage of almost 300 plus students from 9 to 12 no one raised their hand. After much persuasion only one student raised his hand. the teachers seemed rather unamused.

    The need here is to inculcate the idea of higher education and greater aspirations amongst the students, parents and the teachers right since the early years of one’s schooling.

    Regs

  6. I agree 100% with Gorkhey Jeep.Is english the only criteria? By the way syllabus of the school is changed by the body not by an individual. Do you know once the education standard of West Bengal was rated high in the country. If we donot have IAS or good civil servant it is not the fault of our education system. The education system as well as the syllabus of West bengal is in par with ICSE or CBSE.
    But the real issue which I see in the hills is lack of opportunity, lack of information (How many youths/ students go to cybercafe to gather information?), parents are ignorant about the outside world (I am talking about the rural parents),even parents from the urban setting (Darjeeling town, Kalimpong, Kurseong)do not know much about the various aspects of the education. The economic conditions of more than 75% of the households are not good as they have to think twice to send their children to the better schools,The good children (academically)are not exposed to the outside territory nor they have greater dreams.
    Those who are prudent and wealthy enough they send their wards to Kolkata, Bangalore Delhi etc. How many of them has come back to the hills and has served?
    English may not be the only criteria for the growth. I also studied in the Nepali medium school and in remote place (St George’s High School Pedong) who has given birth to IAS, WBCS, politician etc.and are all the Bengali, behari, Upaids civil servants studied in english medium school? Probably not.

  7. Addendum:After reading barun’s comments:
    Now a days children have lost the power to dream. I once I asked my 10 year old daughter about her dream, her prompt reply was I want to be come Miss universe.It is a good dream but how? Am I preparing her to be so? I am not because I do not have the capability. Hope one day my daughter can become miss universe.

  8. barunroy said

    I think there must be a permanent residential career counselor in every school. The only ‘career counselors’ we have are seen at institutes offering computer courses where their only job is ‘forcibly suggest’ to the students that their courses are best in the world.

    In the west, it is the job of the resident career or student counselor to help chart the career of the students. He or she is also a student psychologist. I think we must strongly campaign for a student counselor in every school in Darjeeling Hills.

    Regs

  9. ichamani Chettri said

    Dear Jyoti,
    Here our topic is about to spread the subjects,good college,good teachers and etc..I dont want to blame the medium of Instruction,either it may be nepali or english or others but the important is who is teaching you ?what is his/her Capabilities to teach you ?,it is Important.One example I can give you of teacher.I have seen many teachers in Kurseong they were thrown from the school after they managed and passed Madhyamik Pariksha(they passed but not by thier efforts they passed by cheating and luck)Similarly they passed Higher Secondry examination like this they passed Graduation,they got the job as a Teacher in Primary school.Now I want to ask you what kind of education will be spread to the student by such teachers???.Another example Some teachers are from Nepali medium school and they got the job in English medium School,If you have any doubts and you go to such teacher what will be thier answer do you know.
    Answer will I have never studied these all things in Nepali Medium so I cant help you If you want in English then I can help you.Why I am saying like this because it happened in my life I got same answer from one teacher of Pushparani School.The fact is that my father knows him very well he is from Nepali medium school, now he forget everything whatever he learnt in Nepali medium.When I was studying in Pushparani School everybody used to passed the comments about school(it is not good school,all the student are loafer,gunda,Badmash)even people used to say me Pushparani ko Gunda.Any how I completed My Madhyamik pariksha,after that I got addmission in Higher secondry (Science)
    I was very much intereted to take mathematics as special subject in B.Sc,but there was no Mathematics Honours in Kurseong college and our financial condition was not so good so that I can go somewhere and get admission in good college,Even my parents couldnot afford my education expense in Darjeeling or Siliguri.
    So I decided to work and study myself, I have to work and should give some financial support to my father and younger sister because she was studying in school.I left kurseong and came to Nashik which is nearby to Mumbai there I got the admission in B.Sc.When I took admission in Nashik my father was doing private job ,there I used to stay with my father,We faced so many problems after that we called my mum in Nashik,She came to Nashik where as my sister was studying in Holy cross Institute Kurseong.I completed my B.Sc (Mathematics) by taking tutions at home this was my part time job,similarly I completed my M.Sc (Mathematics) from University of Pune after completing M.Sc (Mathematics) I went to kurseong in search of job but my bad luck I couldnt get the job.After that I got the job in Pakim Paletine College,Pakyong,Sikkim as a lecturer,I worked their for few days after that I got an opportunity to come in Dubai so I came here and now I am here earning a good salary which is sufficient for me and my family member,After completing my sister H.S we brought her in Nashik,She took admission in Law college,She also completed her B.S.L degree and LLb,my sister also has given too much efforts to achieve these degrees.For her college tution fees she used to worke with private firm during her summer vaction (after the university exams are over ).
    Actually my english is not good that is why I can express my feelings properly.If I could tell you my stories in Nepali then definitely your eyes will be full of tears.we have given so many sacrifices to get the degrees.Just because of that degree I am here in Dubai even my sister is in Dubai we both are working now.We have given so many sacrifices but we mean it and done it.In Darjeeling there are so many Students who cannot afford their education expense specially otside for such student we have to provide good subjects,good teacher,good College so that every body should not suffered like me and my sister.
    Very soon I am going to write my story infact my biography in the form of short book with the help of Mr.Barun you will find how struggle we have done in future.

    Thank you

  10. rubin said

    Ichamani…Blaring xample is u itself….If there is will there is a way…despite ur education in rani school and teacher such as pdder u are now earning gud money…thats wat matters in the end…So wats the lesson that u cud give us..Was it podder that stunted ur growth,nepali education..or is it ur will that got u thru hardships in life….i do not beliv in the nonsense of gud infrastructure..etc..for that matter even gorkhaland…identity crap and all..if they call me north eastern..what the hell is bothering me..??..i dont give a fck whether they call me indian,chinese,japenese…i just carry on working..earn gud money for myself and luk after my parents…..Moreover if all the students were to stop cribbing and read themselves after school and think of pursuing their individual goals no one is going to stop them…from achieving it…my advise..stop wasting time in bandhs and sabhas..showing strngth an all..its gettn u knowehere..whole community focusses on achieving their goals and what we have is -

  11. rubin said

    is ur guess…:)..

  12. jiwan said

    Dear ichamani chettri, i am really touched by u life story. Even i am a strong supporter of development of our education standard so that even we can produce IAS,IPS,IFS etc.
    But i beg to differ when u gave ur personal example by seeing some teacher’s that the teacher, when he was a student passed exam by cheating or by luck.
    I want to ask u the example u gave of teacher was meant for some teacher or to all teacher. If you answer is u gave example of some teacher then why we are facing problem of finding or making ias,ips officals as there are so many schools which deliver very good education and results. So i must say ur blame only on teachers is totally wrong.
    I must say for the development of education only teacher cannot be responsible, infact our system, partents and students are also to be blamed.

  13. aardee said

    Bimal Gurung as teacher…hmmm… Oh My Sweet Lord!

    Am sorry the fault does not only lie with the teachers I am amazed at the amount of reading that kids do these days…zilch! What do they know of the outside world? Duh! To compete effectively you need to be aware…aankhe kholo…accha bolo…sometimes I feel depressed looking at the kids of today…they have it too easy..every thing parents are catering for…hence no drive to learn…reach out and extend one’s self…my nephews studying in Darj…don’t know the PIN CODE!!! They go about asking what is PIN CODE! What do you do with kids who are sooooo unaware of their surroundings and only think talk football/basketball/carrom & the GUITAR…Hello wake up and really smell the coffeeeee!

  14. jiwan said

    Since a discussion of teacher have been raised . I want ask how many of you know that in dghc area Ad-hoc are being terminated from their job. These Ad-hoc teachers, some working for more 15 years of their life at less than quarter of the permanent teacher salary are now about to get terminated.
    The only mistake these Ad-hoc teacher did was, all these days during these years they hoped one day they may get appointed as pemanent teacher but wht they got was order of termination.
    Please i request u all read readers not be on the wrong notion that these Ad-hoc teacher are under qualified or have passed their exams by cheating or by luck as said by ichamani chettri, because some are M. A, some are M.Phil some even P.hd. some are gold medalist in M.A.

  15. aardee said

    Why is a gold medalist still sticking to a non-permanent job??? Why does he/she not venture out of Darj??????

  16. aardee said

    Another thing if a person is a gold meadalist does not mean he/she is a good teacher…most such genius do not know how to demystify complex subjects to children…n they live in their own world or teach only the few kids that seem to be good at studies…they are not bothered if majority of the class is totally clueless about what is being taught! Subjects need to be made interesting so that kids grasp the fundamentals…sadly very few TEACHERS are in the profession because they love to teach…

  17. jiwan said

    true but if a person choose teaching as a profession then than person must be liking that job. Any way how do u define a good teacher. Obviously qualification come

  18. jiwan said

    and if every one move out of darjeeling then who will come for the development of our community. our education system which we consider the backbone of the development of our community. Does anyone want people from other community who does not know our language properly to teach our children??

  19. jiwan said

    why we are discussing about need of IPS,IAS,IFS from our community? Probably it is for the development of our community . Dont we feel proud when find a gorkha getting gorjd medal in M.A and that also from N.B.U. and devoting their life for the development of our community in some way.

  20. Phurba said

    I know one teacher who did all to ruin my life… Mr. Anil Sunam of St. Robert’s H.S, this jerk teaches Maths.. this guy was such a jerk that he nearly succeeded in ruining my life.. thanks to strong family support I survived.. but what about many other s like me?? he’d fail those whom he didn’t like and keep on carrying a grudge from class 5 to class 12…

    So the point being… this guy may be a good teacher and all but he is not a good human being.. hence, I guess… we need teachers who will feel for the students and mae it possible for the students to dare and see visions.. and just come to teach as a means of living…

  21. Sabina said

    Hahahaha.. GOLD MEDALIST???

    Ok I’ll tell U a story about Gold Medalists from NBU.. and I swear this is true story…

    One candidate exceedingly good in her studies.. other one exceedingly easy going… Good student worked her best.. Easy student slept around (I swear the facts can be verified…

    Easy student Topped the University and received Gold Medal (in Pol Sc), Good student came in second..

    Good student cleared NET (National Eligibility Test for Lectureship)at one go and joined a good college in Darjeeling… the easy going student is still working as a part-time lecturer…

    Now.. you all tell me.. does a Gold Medal matter??? Yes it does.. if it is earned by hard work and sincerity..

    Trust me, I have studied in NBU myself and here we don’t learn… we just hang on…

    Our only draw back is that we don’t have a University of our own.. the teachers at NBU are all CPI(M) appointees n all party cadres.. and if U don’t believe me come check it out yourself… these people go for CPI(M) rally even if they are in the middle of taking classes…

  22. jiwan said

    Sabina i wanted to asks whether the gold medalist is a gorkha or not. Coz i gave an example of an gorkha from kurseong and an Ad-hoc teacher. I am suprised because i was giving an example that all teacher are not under educated but some are even gold medalist and have not passed their exam by cheating or by luck.
    I think it is not always right to blame a teacher and personally feel that even parent have to be little strict to their ward.
    Sabina i am really upset when you said that during ur period in N.B.U u spend ur time hanging around rathering than utilizing ur time in getting coaching class for wbcse or ias or ips. You told we need a university of our own, my question is who will teach in the university because u doubt even when our gorkha gets gold medal .
    I am afraid to mention my experience because i think people have lost their sense of appreciation, even though i would like to mention.
    Sabina u laugh when i mention about a gorkha getting a gold medal fro NBU, but i am a person who was denied admission in nbu for my masters as i scored less marks compared to the student from the plains in geography honours( even i score second highest from my college in my subject) i had to go to far away fro home to complete my masters even when my family economy condition was not good. I completed my master with first class and in 2005 appeared my first NET exam from NBU, the same university that did not admitted me for my masters and i got qualified. When i appeared for college service commission in kolkatta in 2007 i was shocked with the some question. As i was asked whether i know bengali language to read and write. Even after answering all question related to my subject i was not selected.
    It may look small regarding the experience i mention above but like to tell u that i even have passed the written school service commission in 2006 but failed in viva as i had no idea about the question that was asked to me regarding a bengali poem.

  23. Sabina said

    Jiwan… Pyaro Jiwan.. full of life…. the very reason why we are demanding Gorkhaland is because till date we are a part of WB and they will want to now if we know Bengali or not… I don’t blame them….

    The person I mentioned is a Gorkhali… and for your information.. she is still teaching in the best hill college… find out from her students as well they will tell you how bad she is…

    By the way, I didn’t hang on because of my choice… but because of the system that’s prevalent there.. trust me you are lucky not to have studied in NBU.. what they have is a bunch of notes passed on for generations and bunch of questions passed along the same line… so what we practically did was xerox the notes.. look of the previous questions and got 1st class.. by the way… I am a 1st class 1st myself and NET qualified(received gold medal from the governor for scoring above 70% and standing 1st in the class)in History…

    Ok.. here’s the bottom line,.. Bro.. U didn’t need NBU to clear NET.. but the gold medalist from NBU has not cleared NET as of yet… so U see how bad it is down there…

    Anyway… Sorry for all my friends who are gold medalists from NBU.. no offense… however… we are better off than average Bengali… had it not been for NBU.. we’d be all that we wish for.. Professors… Lecturers…IAS… IPS… IES.. what not???

  24. jiwan said

    Now i am teaching in a school hoping that one day sun will shine for our community and our coming generation wont have to suffer like we did.
    I could have gone to some other place or even in sikkim for my job. But i do not want to go to other place as i want to serve my people from my place even when i am being paid very less.
    If i could utilise my life for the development of my community then i will die happily.

  25. Sabina said

    Same here Jiwan… Jia Gorkha.. Jia Gorkahalad

  26. Jyoti Thapa said

    The Himachal Pradesh govt had offered to include Nepali language in the syllabus but there were no teachers available. The Gorkha community in Bhagsu needs teachers for teaching Nepali. Interested teachers pl write to Mr Kishen Kapoor, Minister of Transport and Town Planning, VPO Khanyara, Dharamshala, Kangra District, Himachal Pradesh with copy to Mr Pritam Singh Thapa, ‘Thapa Hut’, Ramnagar, Dharamshala, Dist Kangra, HP 176215. Teachers from Darjeeling should initiate the linking process between Gorkhas of India. Not politicians.

  27. Jyoti Thapa said

    http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050604/asp/weekend/story_4805105.asp. Pl read this link to get an idea of Dharamshala. If you cannot just kindly key in Jyoti Thapa Mani in Google search . Thank you. Bhagsu and darjeeling should establish cultural and educational links

  28. YK Shrestha said

    Well thought comments. I agree that we must know Nepali (read/write) and teach our children. My point was that if you are not able to converse, read and write english properly, that’s a big drawback. There are so many examples. It’s one thing to get sentimental, but in practical life, it does not help. I have seen so many brilliant people who have wasted their lives because of their inability to speak/write/converse in english.

  29. gorkha said

    the bottom line is..
    gorlkhaland will be better future for everything in darjeeling district..be it in education,employment,roads,water problem,and there r many problem which we all know..gorkhaland is a dream..if is true..mothers of darjeeling can dream that their son/daugther can do something in life

    and about english and nepali language..english is important in india whether u know or not and nepali is our language be pride of that whether it help you or not….

  30. aardee said

    The whole point is stop dreaming…take action…take charge of your lives…if things are not working DEMAND that from the local authorities. Aren’t you guys in Darj paying taxes? I have done my graduation from a ekdum “naathe” university – Garhwal…but that did not stop me from seeking an opportunity to work in Delhi with the best companies…

    Do remember language skills are important…we cannot hope to make a difference if we can’t speak either English or Hindi…this is India we are Indians we need to be able to speak to one another and inform them about ourselves. This frog in the well attitude of ours will get us nowhere…come on guys don’t just ask to be accepted also accept in return…then see how many opportunities come your way…Funny thing is we all enjoy Hindi movies sing Hindi songs with great aplomb and then when it comes to speaking Hindi we are like we come from some other continent…Speaking well stands every one in good stead…our mental barriers against other fellow Indians has to break…then we can speak to the rest of the country and we don’t have to keep asking a Bengali to interpret for us what we want with and from the government.

    Three four generations of us have grown up in Free India…if not now when will we learn Hindi/English…when will we learn to communicate with other communities…this us v/s them attitude can’t be doing us much good no?

  31. Amit Bhandari said

    Aardee, don’t use that Frog in the Well phrase to denote Gorkha youths in the hills, we have been far more exposed to education, western culture, English, Hindi and other languages then you have. Do you even know what we are talking about. Just because you got a god job after studying in a Naathe University in Garhwal, doesn’t mean that we have all lost aspirations. We have been fighting for our aspirations and our dreams for one hundred years. What have you been doing in Garhwal? We say that Gorkhas from all over the world must unite and I say we first learn to understand each other first. Gorkhas themselves. Gorkhas from Assam, from Garhwal, Darjeeling Hills and heck even from Hampton or New York. The arrogance with which Aardee pounces around in this site as if she is the one who can do it all, knows it all will not work. I am also much amused by Aardees inability to accept the good work done by the others vis-a-vis National Geographic and to later declare it to all and thank all who helped her. Damn you are an arrogant and a proud full. You might be the President of Aardiland just try to be humble….Remember true wisdom teaches humility!

    By the way I don’t give a damn about what others say!

    [You are warned for making personal remarks! Moderator]

  32. rubin said

    Cheers…its gud timepass readn comments from foolish people..site is gr8..

  33. sabina said

    Including you RUBIN

  34. Jyoti Thapa said

    Bhandari just because Ardee has the guts to give her/his own example to say something you have no business throwing it back. Tell us more about yourself first. About ‘what are you doing in garhwal?’What do you know? Have you been there? Do not forgot that Gorkha history in India began with the conquest of Kumaon, Garhwal, Himachal Pradesh and the Terai. You’ll are making the present history (definitely not 100 years ago) and we are supporting the movement, but not for individuals like you. I have earlier mentioned that you Bhandari, in particular are a total divider of society material. The biggest threat to the movement is disapproval of Gorkhas from elsewhere, which is intact now. This anti-garhwal or any other anti-Gorkha habitat attitude will ruin the movement. We are all in it together in the name of The Gorkha.

  35. YK Shrestha said

    I don’t find anything offensive in what Aardee says, I’m surprised to see that Amit Bhandari has truly jumped the gun. What was so offensive in what Aardee has said? Come on Darjeelinges,with this kind of attitude you don’t get the support of us, non Darjeelinge Gorkhas. She did a good job vis-a-vis National Geographic Channel. We do need agressive people like Aardee around us. Let us try to appreciate with each other instead of trying to pull down.

    If you don’t give a damn to what others say, then so be it, but what the hell?

  36. aardee said

    Bhandari…point taken…humility is good in small doses…I am as passionate about who we are what we are and why we are the way we are…and I am ready to stick my neck out for it.

    And you can bet your last rupee I will “pounce” around this site…u have a problem…speak to Barun…
    I am a minority in Garhwal and in Delhi but neither my family or I have never accepted 2nd hand treatment and have stood my ground…I have conviction of my action… and I thank my parents and my good fortune and friends from all communities…who have encouraged me all the way. Thank God for good schools and good teachers and yes I am definitely proud I made it on my own in Delhi…

    BTW on the Nat Geo Lufthansa HT apology I have done my bit –
    Do check who brought the matter to light?
    mustered enough support from friends and colleagues of other communities to write in and demand the apology, after explaining to them the significance of the Khukri and the Gorkhas…
    have personally sent couriered letters to the Army Navy HQ/British Embassy/German Embassy/Advertising Counil of India/Press Council.
    Spoke to friends in the media yesterday to tell them to see the apology in print…
    Now do tell us what you Mr Bhandari in your personal capacity did to bring up the matter?

    Dunno about you, but, I shall always stand up for due respect to all Gorkhas everywhere not just in Darj…

  37. Amit Bhandari said

    Aardee

    1. You are not passionate, you are an arrogant fool! In your mind it is always “I did it…I started it…I am the greatest…I am the most dedicated..I am”

    2. I don’t have to write to Dear Barun, within a few days everyone will know what you really are – an arrogant opportunist. A scavenger of ideas and opportunities.

    3. You might be the minority in Garhwal, Delhi, India, Asia, Earth heck the entire universe who gives a damn…. Wow you made it to Delhi and became the President of India…Thank God for the good schools and the ‘Naathe University’ that you passed out from.

    4. Good job on the Nat Geo thing….by the way I have a bullet still lodged 1 inch from my spine… a gift of the CPRF during Gorkhaland Agitation. I love my home, my work and everything! I still am fighting for Gorkhaland. I will be humoured if you leave everything and come and fight for Gorkhaland, at the ground where it really matters. Don’t give me examples of what your ancestors did….

    5. No, you did not bring the issue to the light? It was Jyoti Thapa (I am sorry to put you in between, but that is the fact). You followed…scavenging the idea others set laid down for you.

    6. I STAND FOR GORKHAS NOT JUST IN DARJEELING BUT ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THAT INCLUDES GARHWAL, ASSAM AND THE REST. I AM NOT AGAINST ANY GORKHA WHO DO NOT BELONG TO DARJEELING HILLS. I AM SIMPLY AGAINST ARROGANT HALF COOKED UP FOOLS LIKE YOU SNATCH AWAY THE TROPHIES OF BATTLES WON BY OTHERS SACRIFICING THEIR LIFE, THEIR FAMILY AND THEIR HOMES. I CAN SMELL THE LIKES OF YOU, LIKE I CAN SMELL OPPORTUNISTS IN DARJEELING HILLS.

  38. Jyoti Thapa said

    Life is a constant struggle of daily activity for non Darjeeling Gorkhas to prevent themselves from being pushed under the carpet. Nepal politics and the Gorkhaland movement have thrown the Gorkhas evrywhere under suspicion. But we are not complaining. On the contrary pushing ourselves more forward to be accepted fully as Indian Gorkhas and that we all support the formation of Gorkhaland at the risk of being at the mercy of the secret eliminating ways of govt functioning. Whether we like it or not the Gorkha Regiments Gorkha servicemen are our main backbone. Recently I visted the 14 Gorkha Training Cnetre in subathu and was very happy to know that in the whole centre the Darjeeling Gorkhas were the best footballers. I used to be the only one to sit and watch them practice every day. I for myself have been actively documenting and creating awareness of the Gorkha heritage, whether it required climbing up mt sides where only goats could clamber. Had some successes and some failures too. Pl do not think I am boasting, but i got the ASI Delhi directors in preventing the delibrate destruction of some ancient Gorkha heritage monuments much to the annoyance of local non-Gorkhalis who threatened to file a FIR against me. We are all doing work in different ways for the Gorkha to emerge in India. Do you want to hear about we are all doing or let us keep it only for Gorkhaland area? Somebody once told me that in Darjeeling it is said that the Darjeeling Gorkhas are clever and the Bhagsu ones are kondays. I did not know what it meant, but i believe it means latays. No problem i take it as a compliment.

  39. Amit Bhandari said

    Dear Jyoti, I have nothing against you. believe me. I am just against opportunist pseudo intellectuals from Darjeeling Hills to the rest of the Globe. And this has nothing to do with Darjeelingeys or non Darjeelinglingeys. In fact, such a word as Darjeelingeys should no longer exist. I like Barun’s concept of Global Gorkhas. But you must understand that I am wary of people who scavenge ideas and declares themselves to be the originator and pursuer of everything. It was you who first brought NGC issue to the public highlight and it were you guys who worked on it. Believe no everything done or achieved through this site will now be owned up by Aardee….

    [I REALLY CAN'T FATHOM WHAT YOU ARE GETTING AT OR WHERE THIS WILL LEAD TO...I AM ALLOWING THIS AT THIS MOMENT...BUT NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR YOU WILL BE BANNED| MODERATOR]

  40. Hey..!!!guys…!! mature up.It is not fight between Bhagshu or Assam or Darjeeling Neplese (I prefer to use Neplese rather than Gorkhas). One should I request respect the cultural, social aspect of each of the area please. I come from Darjeeling hills (Kalimpong). I have seen Neplese from other parts of India too. And to tell you the truth we all are different in our thoughts, behaviour and attitude. Not only the Neplese from different parts of India but within darjeeling hills people are different, Kalimpong , Kurseong, Mirik, Darjeeling all think in different ways and act differently. In the past few days I have been noticing that the comments in this blog are mostly written by Neplese residing outside Darjeeling Hills and it is very natural for the reader in Darjeeling Hills to react in the manner they are reacting because the thoughts posed herewith is like a sermon for the people residing here.Please do not forget what had happened in 80’s the scar is still there.In Delhi one could be very prudent and extrovert and smart which is a requisition and the same attitude shown in the hills they are nicknamed “Phurke”. My request, all are concerned about Gorkhaland and passionate about it and every body is contributing in his/er capability, some are emotionally attached (like I am) some are intellectually, some are politically. Lets keep the balance and resume moderation. After all we are Indian Nepali.

  41. Jyoti Thapa said

    We are all Gorkhas, Mukiaji, we are everywhere, scattered all over India to start with. And we will all respond. And if India is to consider the name Gorkhaland, it will seriously consider from the basis of India Gorkhas everywhere and also the permission of the Indian Gorkha Regimental chiefs. So pl be happy we are on this blog as we are happy to be here to share our viewpoints too. And Bhandari, I am sorry about your bullet.

  42. abu said

    hats off!
    brother,you are doing brilliant job.today i’m missing darj.badly after seeing photos,reading news in your webesite.keep it up.

  43. Jyoti Thapa said

    Aardee and I were at the forefront with banners protesting against the humiliation of Prashant Tamang at India Gate, Delhi, where no protests are allowed. When the cops descended, we started singing Jana Gana Mana and Sare Jahan se Accha and told them whats wrong in singing the national anthem at the India gate and got away with it. Our pictures and comments appeared on several New Delhi newspapers including MetroNow, TOI, HT, etc. Arrdee was responsible for spearheading the protests against that disc jockey Nitin in Delhi. The movement needs firebrands in Delhi, the capital, and you have it in Aardee and me. I was also told that when Gorkhaland is formed you guys (that is us) will come to enjoy the benefits from it, as if we are some bhooka-nangas. And all this by Darj-Kailimpong residents not Darjeelingers from USA. Whenever I have been insulted on this blog, I notice that only Gorkhey Jeep would come to defend me. Anyhow, this is a Gorkha movement, those people who have said offensive stuff will be exposed at the right time. Now they are playing the goodie-goodie advisory roles in the formation of Gorkhaland. Sorry my dear bandhus, these are facts and should be eradicated at the onset because we are all Indian Gorkhas.

  44. Ichamani Chettri said

    Dear Jyoti Mukhia please dont be confuse If you are from Kalimpong then yor Nationality is Indian Not Nepali and your cast is Gorkha and your sub cast is Mukhia you cannot hide the truth.This is your truth in fact ours

    Jai Gorkha,

  45. jiwan said

    why are we becoming crab and pulling each other leg rather than standing together for our goal. “Gorkhaland”.
    if we start fighting against each other then we will never succeed and this is wht anti-gorkhaland wants.
    I have mention many times that the demand for a new state Gorkhaland is not only economic but for the identity of indian gorkha to prove we are indians.
    The idea of identity becomes strong as soon we start moving away from Darjeeling hills.
    As i know how hard it is to survive and establish in other part of the country away from darjeeling with the stigma of untrue alligation of foreigner in our own country India.
    please please please i pray to all Indian Gorkha let us unite together for our common cause a state within India “Gorkhaland”
    JAI GORKHA
    JAI GORKHALAND
    JAI HIND

  46. Bishal Rai 'Kirath' said

    Nepali medium ko students haru chai ni… Siliguri sakney biti kai… finish huncha ni aaj kaal….. I have never heard about IAS or IPS from Nepali school.

    Its very hard to get Govt. jobs these days and I am sure students from Nepali medium cant even think of Corporate world.

    The first criteria is English.. I hope everyone agrees with me.

    What kind of job do you expect after studying a Nepali medium school like Rama Krishna School in Kurseong. Its totally a nepali medium school.

    Nepali medium students wont be able to take Science subjets, However, if they take.. it will be a great difficulty for them.. One of my friend really had a bad time in college. She was poked by our professor every day, when she could not understand the meanings or when she could not write.

    I personally believe, that all the Nepali medium schools should be converted to English medium schools.

    In Kurseong, almost all the schools has been converted to english medium school, just Rama Krishna School is left and that also because of that Shant Guruama. She does not want that school to be converted to English medium. I cant say its her love towards the language because, all her family members have and/or studied or studying in ICSE schools. Just because of her selfishness the students are suffering.

    I totally condem her thoughts and her moves. Once, she dies within a year or two that school will be converted to English medium school. Every other teacher in that school wants that school to be converted to English medium school.

  47. Bishal Rai 'Kirath' said

    Dear Amit Bhandari,

    I on behalf of Gorkha Welfare Society, would like to inform you that Ms. Rashmi, Manager, Reliance Power was the first person to inform me (Gorkha Welfare Society, Delhi) regarding the National Geographic matter.

    Amit, I understand your contribution and dedication towards our Gorkhaland movement and I do respect you and your feelings for the Gorkhaland movement. However, you should know that everyone is contributing in their own way for their cause of Gorkhaland.

    You must also know and respect the feelings of other Gorkha people from different parts of India. They have suffered more than us.

    Though, in Darjeeling we are majority but also we suffer a lot. Just imagine, about our Gorkhay Santan residing in different parts of India where they are in minority.

    Lets, take this forum in a positive way to share our ideas, views and vision.

    Regards,
    Bishal Rai ‘kirath’
    Gorkha Welfare Society, Delhi

  48. rubin said

    wow so many great poeple here…so much contribution to gorkhaland..i am honoured,,,

  49. rubin said

    Sabina loser..:)

  50. sabina said

    Like you Rubin??

  51. aardee said

    Amit Bhandari!
    Thanks for the vitrolic comments…

    I know I was born an original & I don’t intend dying a copy. So scaveging other people’s ideas is definitely not in my mentalor moral makeup.

    Jyoti and Bishal are aware who started the NGC debate…n frankly I am just glad that thru the blog more people joined in coz only united we stand and divided you will definitely fall.
    Pity you don’t do your homework too well before you go calling people names and becoming all self-righteous.

    I am happy that Barun considers the news I send him is fit for publishing and informing other Gorkhas who are logged on to the site…the more we know of the folks that are doing our community proud the better for all of us.

    I think I am of greater use in Delhi where at least I can keep telling my media friends to look at Darj and the situation there and drum up support for Gorkha issues so that they get highlighted in the media … Just to humour you – I have no intentions of being in Darjeeling.

    Jyoti n Bishal have already answered your query regarding what I did n didn’t do as a proud member of the Gorkha community…I am just happy that God is blessing me and so far I have not had the misfortune of trying to steal trophies from the dead or the living.

    BTW Mr Bhandari – you still have not told us what did you do on the Nat Geo episode apart from frothing in the mouth.

    Notwithstanding your amazing olfactory sense like I told the Nat Geo rep..
    refrain from using upper caps…that shows extreme lack of manners in e-mail etiquette.

    I shall be away for a week to take part in my dad’s Paltan – 1/5 Gorkha Riffles 150th anniversary so don’t think I’m running away…I shall check on the blog on my return. Note for you in particular Mr Bhandari is that my grand dad was the 1st Gorkha Commanding Officer of the 1/5GR and my dad was the 1st 2nd generation officer of the same paltan and yes both of them were from Darjeeling. Also note when my dad fought the 1962/1965 & 1971 war he fought for India not just Darj…

  52. Jyoti Thapa said

    Ardee i am sure Bhandari has understood now so lets just chill. And I am sure dear friend people have learnt more English words from your comments. English lesson class ta yota bahigayo.

    I have already been to Darj twice longtime ago not recently though and would love to visit again. I will never forget ‘Dumsi dai’, quite a character who accompanied us on the jeep from Siliguri and another guy high on raksi, who was merrily swinging on the toy train without losing his grip. He appeared to be the happiest man on earth. I was very impressed to see goodlooking girls chopping left and right in a judo-karate show. And the warmth of my dad’s old classmates from North Point. That’s the beauty of Darjeeling which I believe the strong arm tactics of the CPIM have turned the smiles into bitterness.

  53. Jyoti Thapa said

    I must also appreciate Ichhamani Chetri’s constant attempts over the last couple of weeks to correct Mukhiyaji about the usage of the word Nepalese and ‘cast’ gorkha and sub-caste ‘Mukhiya’. Hey Ram! Darj people find my Nepali-speaking strange so someone teach me Darj Nepali too.

  54. rubin said

    hehe..yeah i guess…:)..r u in gmail ?..

  55. rubin said

    Sabina kahan chau timi…ma yahan paltan ma gorkhey timilai miss gari rahechu…let us together fight fo rgorkhaland…

  56. sabina said

    Bha Rubin for the time being.. fight for mother India… Gorkhaland ko laagi we are enough… I am married so na Chamkinda pani huncha

  57. rubin said

    hmm…hunche….ma try garchu…k garnu sanai dekhin..sabaile bhanthe…yo naani chahi tara jastai chamkine che yo sansaar ma bhani…:)..timro comment sunda kasto yaad ayo…ani Sabina jasto haru le malai meero potential nai pugne dinna..ma afsos ma India ko nimti jyan dine chu..n i wont ast for the glittering medaals…timi Sabina tamang ki sabina pradhan ki k ho..teti ta bhanna paienche hola..

  58. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Attention everybody:
    On saturday May 17, it was reported a 14 yearold girl was murdered in Noida. The subhead in HT said ‘Nepali domestic help suspect..’. The report also went on to describe how she was killed with a khukri and all that. A Rs 20,000 award was also offered by the parents to catch this Nepali Hemraj.

    Sunday May 18, headlines again to announce that the poor ’suspect’ Nepali Hemraj’s body was found also murdered in the terrace of the house which the bungling cops did not check earlier

    My objection is 1)why was the suspect announced as a Nepali all over the place to start with in the papers. This is discrimination
    2)Why did they assume that the girl was murdered with a ‘khukri’ and mention it

    Ardee, we need you back in Delhi urgently.

    All their earlier assumptions have proved wrong. We, have to object to such ‘discrimination’

    If Gorkhaland is desired, all Nepali speaking people have to be vigilant about such things. Also Darjeeling people have to be more aware of the Gorkha communities outside Darjeeling which together outnumber Darjeelingers ten time over. I ahve been on this site for months, noone has expressed any wish to know about Bhagsu.

    And Mukhiyaji again, obviously we will be diffrent in bhesh-bhasha. Just like we find you very Sikkimese-Nepal-Tibetan type, you find us very Indian-Hindi type. So if Gorkhaland is to be in India, who is more Indian. I still feel you have to correct yerself on wanting Gorkhaland and calling yerself Nepalese attitude. From what I understand the very basis of demand for Gorkhaland is an identity which is to be non-nepalese. Earlier perhaps you could stay on in India with calling yerself Nepalese and saying jai Hind. But with the new policies demanded by Prachand (Hope he delivers his promises to pull Nepal out of being the one of the poorest countries in the world) we have to chose-Indian Gorkha or Nepalese. When people like Ardee are pushing to move the lotus-eaters and think big, for the sake of the community, you’ll get offended. i agree her expletives are too much for you’ll.

    I disagree with you amonst many things including on lack of information. Gorkhalis do not read. Period. This is everywhere. They do not read newspapers thoroughly which are available dime a dozen. They do not follow Indian or world events. You do not need to go to cybercafe for that. We are not intellect-hungry people. The problem with this site the moment some achievers give examples, others feel they are boasting. But my father studied in the HP Goevernment primary school, the kind of place where they sit on the ground with wooden boards and write with dawaat-kalams and do kha for khargosh types. Forget English, they were taught in Urdu. But he was a voraciuos reader on any book under the sun. Eventually after a string of degrees, he also graduated from the famous London School of Economics, London without any scholarship or reservation. He broke the family’s stringent army service tradition. He became my and my brother’s inspiration, leading me to study at the NID, Ahmedabad and my brother at RG Kar Medical and without any resrvation or scholarchips.

    If Abdul Kalam, son of a boatsman who walked miles to school everyday, could become India’s top rocket scientist and president what is stopping us. You guys are going to hate me for this, but we (including Gorkahli youth in Bhagsu)are lazy, laid-back and too fond of the good things in life and we indulge in self-pity. And Mukhiyaji, I do admire you for the urgent videoing and pasting of the Siliguri Rally on UTube, but in future refrain from with statements like ‘I ahve been noticing that Nepalese from outside Darjeeling are …..’ . I might be wrong you appear to me more Nepal-oriented than Indian. Then you are in the wrong country, my dear brother and if you were refreering to me excuse me I am Gorkha.

    And let me tell you one thing more, You’ll are more advanced in facilities than Bhagsu. They are not rich enough to have internets and computers at home and they get dandas from their parents if they are seen hanging around cybercafes which is regarded as a den of video games. And only one English school which all cannot afford to go to. Yet not only have we produced many historical stalwarts but also many today are in service outside with MBA, Medicine and other degres doing quite well in the mainstream. They come home occasionally to meet their parents, to get married and eventually finally on retirement. They are pushed out by their parents to out and work. Hanging around at home and machha-maroing in the kholas is not allowed after a certain age. All this is by the way is for a culture exchange not anything else, my namesake Mr Jyoti Mukhiyaji from Mrs Jyoti

  59. Na Janney Manchey said

    What’s Bhagsu by th way?? is it like AGSU??

  60. Bishal Rai 'Kirath' said

    Jyoti Di wrote : “Hey Ram! Darj people find my Nepali-speaking strange so someone teach me Darj Nepali.”

    Di, I think that you should first learn – “ENGLISH WORDS THAT WE USE IN DARJEELING”

    *no offence please.

    Adjust – Ek Jus
    3x (Rum) – Threax
    Airport – Yarpot
    Am I Right – Amright
    Any Engine Oil – Mobil
    Apple – Aiphal
    Back Kick – Byaack Kick
    Bag – Beg
    Battery – Byatik
    Bazaar – Bajaar
    Beachwood – Beechud
    Bi Scope – Baiscope
    Birch Hill – Burshill
    Block Heel Shoe – Block Heel Suuuu
    Blue – Buloo
    Bottle -Botal
    Boundary – 52dori
    Boot – But Jutta
    Box – Baksha
    Brake – Bi-Rake
    Bread – Tos Roti
    Break – Brek
    Bridge – Biriz
    Brush – Burus
    Brush Cut – Burush Cut
    Canvas – Cambis
    Cap – Cap Topi
    Capital Hall – Captal Hall
    Carton – Kartoon
    Casual – Cyazal
    Catapult – Cattis.
    Cement – Cimet
    Champion – Chyamping
    Chewing Gum – Chui Gum / Bal Gum
    Chocolate – cadbury
    Cleaner – Kilinder
    Cocktail – Coketel
    Colgate For Any Toothpaste
    Collar – Kaldar
    Corner – Kaldar
    Compounder – Compouder
    Condemn – Kyandyam
    Culvert – Kalpat
    Dash – Dyass
    Doctor – Daktar
    Document – Dokomen
    Dominate – Domi
    East Main Road – Ismyan Rod
    Exam – Eegjyam
    Fan – Phan
    Fast – Fas
    February – Farwari
    Fiat (Car) – Fate Car
    Film Cinema – Filim Shinima
    Finish – Feeenis
    First Class – Fuss Kalas
    Five – Phyep
    Focus – Fokos
    Forest – Faras
    Forest Guard – Foresgad
    Fountain Pen – Phamtinpen….
    Four – Phor
    Four Wheel – Foreel
    Frock – Farak
    Gas Lamp – Gess
    Generator – Jenaytar
    Girl Friend – Gas
    Glass – Geelas
    Godown – Guudaam
    Godrej For All The Steel Admiral’s
    Ground – Garan
    Gumboot – Gumboot Jutta
    Hacksaw – Hackso
    Half Pant/Shorts – Happen
    Heavy – Heaaavvvvy
    Horn – Haran
    Hospital – Auspataal
    Iron – Istiri
    January – Janari
    Kettle – Kitlee
    Landrover – Labarlubur
    Lantern – Laltin.
    Latrine – Latin
    Lips Stick – Lipisti
    Love Story – Labastari
    Make Up – Myakap
    Mall – Maalrod
    Marble Balls – Mechkol.
    Matchsticks – Maachisss
    Miss – Mees
    Municipal – Minsibil
    Napkin – Nak Pin
    Nepali Girls Boarding School – Boding
    Omelets – Maamlet
    Over – Obber
    Pants – Petlung
    Parade – Parate
    Petrol – Petal
    Picture – Pikchar
    Plate – Peelate
    Please – Plich
    Pliers – Plaas / Penchees
    Plug – Pluk
    Pocket – Pakit
    Postman – Posmen
    Powder – Pawdar
    Radiator – Radiowater
    Ration – Raasin
    Reject – Rijek
    Rope Way – Ropey
    Rubber – Labber.
    Rum – Any Spirit
    Same to Same – Syam To Syam
    Sauce Pan – Saspan
    School – Iskool
    Scope Down – Ishcope Down
    Screw Loose – Escrew Luss
    Second – Seken
    September – Sitamber
    Seven – Sebhen
    Shock Absorber – Shakap Jabbar
    Shrubbery – Surbery
    Shut Up – Shyatap
    Silver – Silbhar
    Sintex For All The Black Water Tanks
    Sir – Sar
    Slacks – Sax
    Slate – Silate
    Smile – Ishmail
    Soup – Soop
    Special Case – Espeshial Case
    St. Joseph – Father Ko Iskool
    St. Roberts – Syan Rover Ishkool
    St. Teresa – Saintresa
    Stable – Astabal
    Start – Esstart
    Steel – Istill
    Steering – Ishtring
    Strike – Esstrike
    Style – Istyle
    Switch – Suiss
    Switzerland – Surjelyan
    Table – Tabal
    Tailor – Telar
    Tasty – Tasilo
    Telephone – Telepon
    Third Class – Thud Kilaas
    Tiffin Carrier – Tiffin Carry
    Time – Tyame
    Tomato – Tyamtar
    Too Good – Too Goot
    Too Much Too Maach
    Towel Tauliya
    Track Suit Tak Siut /Tracks.
    Tractor Tyaktar
    Trip Tirip
    Truck Tarak
    Tube Light Tiblet
    Turnbull Tambull
    Turning Taning
    TV T. Bhee
    Underpants Unnerpen
    Van Bhyan
    VCR Bhi C R
    Very Good Bheri Gud
    Video Bhidiyo
    Voltage Voltex
    West Coast Aus Coat.
    Wine Glass- One Gilaas

  61. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Dear Bishal
    Thank you. Half the words are what we also use. Let us compile book on Gorkhali English. Good wishes and take care. You work very hard with your office work and the Gorkha welfare Society social work.

    I think people do not understand my nepali accent though i can understand yours. Nezxt time I will definitely say Bheri gud, bheri gud. Mala labarlubur ma charnachha. Mukhiyaji hamiru ekjus karno pariyo. Bhandari bhai, Hamiru Maalrod ma bhetumla. Mailay Choos pant lagako hola ani kalo rang ko lipista. Too Goot, too goot. Rubin timita fas rahichha. Sabina ko sangma flirt garchha. Barun dai ta Chyamping rahichha. Amright?

    Jyoti didi

  62. Bishal Rai 'Kirath' said

    Regarding that Noida case. I think we should have patience.

    The suspect was announced as a Nepali because the he was from Nepal.

    I think that one should be aware that people from Nepal are known as Nepali.

    Furthermore, on humanitarian ground and on behalf of Gorkha Welfare Society, I tried to contact Nepal Embassy here in Delhi. However, they are not responding my call.

    I personally, went to meet them but to no avail.

  63. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    The term they used was Nepali which we all know is a language of the indian constiutution. If they wanted to refer to his citizenship they should have written Nepal citizen. It is like saying a Bengali murdered a young girl. We have to object to the careless usage of the word Nepali. Nepal embassy does nothing. We can write to the editors to start with regarding the correct usage. Also visit the NOIDa police station and make sure they do not do not cremate his body off as ‘lawaris’. The poor guy was cleverly made a scapegoat for the murder if it had not been for retd DGP KK Gautam who smelt something fishy. The family had also announced Rs 20,000 to catch him when his body was lying above their heads on the terrace. This whole issue looks like a coverup case with the local cops involved if it was’nt was for Gautam. Henraj’s innocence has to be acknowledged and apologised for and his family compensated for the trauma caused to them.

    Who knows maybe Hemraj lost his life trying to save the girl. In that case India has to award a gallantry medal to him.

  64. Bishal Rai 'Kirath' said

    Jyoti Di,

    I totally agree to agree with you. They could have used Nepali Citizen or Nepalese.

    The most confusing words – Nepali and Chinese ‘which indicates both Nationality and Language’

    Di, will be calling you and will discuss what can be done!

    These, nepali people at Nepal Embassy are hopeless,

    I prefer calling myself Gorkhali instead of Nepali – no offence to any one please.

  65. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Aru haru ko kya rai chha? Any more objections to the usage of the word Nepali. This is in the capital of a national edition, mind you of the country that you want Gorkhaland to become the 3oth state. So how come no responses as yet. Or do you’ll only respond to Westbengal. Decision for a state lies with the Central Government not with the state of bengal

  66. Ichamani Chettri said

    Well Said Mr.Bishal Rai & Ms Jyoti Thapa.I read your conversation,after reading I think you are the two persons who can bring revolution in Darjeeling in various field.I salute both of you for your contribution towards our culture,language,society and all efforts you have given to Gorkha Community.What ever we are writing and trying to teach or explain each other is not enough because we know that hardly less than 10% of our people are going to cyber or having internet connections at home,among these hardly 1% of people are going for this site and expressing thier views.I am helpless I cant do any thing from Dubai.Therefore I request Mr.Bishal Rai & Ms Jyoti Thapa to talk with Mr.Barun Roy to give us one page of Himalayan Darpan so that every day we can write something which is good in interests for the people of Darjeeling.We know the people of Darjeeling Look very smart they can speak very good english but prctically they are very weak,they dont have real life experience which we have suffered in our life.There are so many topics first we have to teach the exact meaning of Nepali or Nepalese or Gorkhali or Indian to our people then we will teach to rest of the world so that no body dares or confuse to write about Gorkhali and Nepali.
    This is my personel suggestion to Mr.Bishal Rai & Ms Jyoti Thapa if we get one page in Himalayan Darpan then definitely we can share our feelings and experience with all Gorkhali.I hope what I mean to say.we the Gorkhali are Lacking behind because of lack of Knowledge and practical Experience.If we succeeded then our Goal post is very near to us any time we can make the Goal.If you want share your personel feelings then you can write me ichamanikc@yahoo.com

    Jai Gorkha
    Jai Gorkhaland
    Jai Hind

  67. Ichamani Chettri said

    Dear Ms Jyoti Thapa,
    Its not like that when I read your comments even it hurts m a lot but I think mistake is ours.First we have to ask the Govt. (both Nepal and India ) to differntiate the people of Nepal and Gorkha Of India by nomenclating as Nepali and Gorkha,we must get these thing in written from the both Govt. I think this is the right time to write both the Govts.,because very soon Mr.Prachanda is coming to Delhi to discuss about the treaty between India and Nepal,this time they can raise our issue and hope they solve our Identity crisis, which is still controversial to us rather then other community.I must say first we have to build our backbone then we can move for battlefield

  68. Bishal Rai 'Kirath' said

    Dear Ichamani Chettri:

    I agree with you and I think our leaders need to discuss with Kathmandu regarding the treaty.

    Subash Ghising, had made a great move requesting the Govt. to scrap the treaty. However, that did not happen.

    Going forward our present leaders can research on this matter once again and I personally think that this treaty schould be scrapped.

    Once, this treaty is scrapped..our identity will be in safe hands.

    Regarding a page in Himalaya Darpan. I dont know how much its possible. However, I do have e-mail id’s of all the the newspapers of Darjeeling, Sikkim and Siliguri, which I will be forwarding you through your personal id.

    They will be happy to receive and publish your articles.

    Regards,
    Bishal Rai
    Gorkha Welfare Society, Delhi

  69. Sorry guys, Today is Sunday. I took quite a long time to read all the comments and very satisfied. I don’t want to create more controvery on the issue but I am perfectly an India, My great-great grand father reached Darjeeling in 1896. But as far as nomenclature is concerned I am an Indian Nepali. When the term Gorkhas are used the first meaning that comes in my mind is a soldier or the watchman and time and again my same justification that in Darjeeling all are not neplese and from every home there are no soldiers or watchman. When we talk of Gorkhaland it cannot be taken in verbatim. Gorkhaland does not signify only the Neplese residing in Darjeeling Hills but it incorporates other masses too. Therefore Gorkhaland is not meant for Nepali only. It is the demand for creating a separate state for the people living in the Darjeeling Hills, siliguri and the Nepali majority areas in Duars.So why should we change the term Nepali into Gorkhas why cannot we call ourselves as Indian Nepali as we used to call earlier days. Do remember Ghisingh has tried to use the term as Gorkhali Language but Sikkim hijacked it with Nepali language. Gorkhali term is after the slash.
    It also became true which I said that most of the people commenting in this blog resides outside Darjeeling otherwise many comments from the heart of the Hills should have emerged. Secondly people like sensations and issues.

  70. Jyoti, RD, Bishal,
    A serious note.
    Since you are in Capital city why don’t you nudge the mainstream media.Does GJMM media person ever tried to contact you at Delhi? I think this aspect of the movement is missing. What is ythe Bhagshu Neplese think about the movement? I remember C.K Shrestha use to tell lots of stories about Bhagshu and the Neplese (Gorkhas) there.

  71. Jyoti Thapa wrote ‘I might be wrong you appear to me more Nepal-oriented than Indian. Then you are in the wrong country,…”The problem with this site the moment some achievers give examples, others feel they are boasting.’ What is the actual message you want to give? Do you think here in the hills dull headed people are residing? Your suggestions are welcome and good to hear about the achievement of the people who are out side the hills (are you not residing outside the darjeeling Hills? But that does not mean jyotiJi that it is a universal truth. So kindly don’t be led my assumptions only.I am not a politician neither an activist but a social worker and have seen the place where I belong internally. By You ask any laymen in the street of darjeeling or Kalimpong what do you prefer to called Gorkha or Nepali, they will proudly say “Nepali”. It does not mean they are inclined to Nepal. But do not forget Nepal has been feeding lakhs of bellies of the Hill people as India has been feeding theirs till date.

  72. Bishal Jyu,
    Great colection of words. They are not (all) English words the Hill people use but they are the “agantuk sabdh” which Nepali language has incorporated. Otherwise read Indra Bhadur Rai’s “Tipeka Tippanni haru”.

  73. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Dear Mukhiyaji
    I really dont know what to make of your comments so will let it pass.
    But it is interesting to know that you are a friend of CK Shrestha of the Akhil Bharatiya Gorkha Parisangh. He had travelled all over Himachal not only Bhagsu/Dharamshala but also small HP Gorkha towns like Bakloh, Subathu also nearby Jammu to collect funds for Darjeeling’s Gorkhaland movement last year at the rate of 1000 Rs per head. Even pensioners who get 4000/ per month gave 1000Rs each. After that the poor people never heard from him again. They never recd any newsletter of the PariSangha or even any invite to the Sangha’s seminars. Pl tell him they are wondering what happened to that charming speaker from Darjeeling who inspired them to give chunks of their savings.

  74. Suman Nepal said

    what happens to you guys??? wants to fight with each other. for what ??? we should try to make concept of Global Gorkhali (Nepali)….. Vishwo ka Gorkhali (Nepali) yek hau… Jai Gorkha, jai Gorkhaland.

  75. ichamani Chettri said

    Dear Suman,
    We are not fighting,we are united and always be together this is our medium to share or express our thoughts,views,feelings etc with each other.We are always discussing to bring changes,development towards our community,culture and our loved ones.I humble request to all the readers that please do not take in negative sense,our motto is to be unite with each other not to fight,In case if there is any fight for which we have to stand then all the members of this blog will come together,but remember our fight will be always for legal rights.

    We are the follower of “Live and let Live”

    Jai Gorkha,Jai Hind

  76. Pravhat said

    Dear Bishal Da,
    I really liked the collections of words.Yes,all the people should accept the fact that the words which you have highlighted are actually used by the most if not all the people.But da this is because of the atmospher that prevails in Darjeeling.Peaple are habituated to use it & the youngsters also follow the same norm.But,I seriously doubt the role of our schools & teachers in hills,they hardly give emphasis on pronunciation.Its only few teachers that give emphasis on pronunciation.In contemporary period,in hills in most schools,subjects are taught in English ,even in Madhyamik schools but it is dishearting to tell that teachers lack the knowledge of pronunciation or they avoid it completely.
    I personally feel that schools & teachers should play important role & yes,students & others should be interested in improving & learning it.
    Da to the list of words I would also like to add few words:
    Heavy::Heabi
    School:Is’kool:
    Today education is important & the level of education must be upgraded.Teachers,must be qualified to mark the mistakes of students & not overlook it or it should not be unknown to them.

  77. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Dear Mukhiyaji
    I hope you got the reply to what Bhagsu people feel about the movement from my note earlier. This is not the right place to get into details but there is pressure on them to give more funds from the same body who did not even bother to send anyone a copy of the glossy souvenir they produced last year despite alll the funds collected. The souvenir also did not have a single mention or article from anyone from Bhagsu or Uttarkahnd or Jammu. Only pictures and writeups on and by the body’s Darj reps. Nevertheless the very fact I am here is that they do support.

  78. Barun,
    Can the issue raised by Jyoti Thapa be taken seriously? Whether it is done for the organization or for the personal gain?
    jyoti,
    I am not a friend of C.K Shrestha but a fan of him.

  79. barunroy said

    Dear Mr. Mukhia and Miss Thapa,

    If you folks come up with a written complaint on what is happening in Bhagsu I could contact BGP and possibly Mr. C. K. Shrestha and try to find out why he has let down the people in Bhagsu. I could publish it here online and have it published on Himalaya Darpan.

    Regs

  80. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    The issue on Bhagsu came up after Mr Mukhiya raised the issue about Bhagsuwalas and I also have been asked by others what are Bhagsuwalas are doing about Gorkhaland, while waiting to reap the gains. Otherwise I would not have raised the subject.

    We from Bhagsu have great respect for veteran Gorkha activist Madam Dil Kumari Bhandari,President of the BGP, and I am sure she will set the matters right. I have also already expressed to the BGP that a couple of the Parishangs’s frontliners have attitude problems. And I have not insinuated anything about personal gains. DO NOT twist my words around. The point i made was that the people who have contributed should be once in a while kept posted of the Parishang’s activities to feel that they belong. I am sure you will agree with me.

    By the way Mukhiyaji if you are not a friend of Shrestaji, how come you claimed that he told you stories of Bhagsu.

    Anyway, a few of us are doing action-oriented work for Indian society’s attitude towards us, so I am not interested in anyone’s stories. I also have regard for Mr Bimal Gurung’s leadership qualities and it is being conveyed back home. Mr Subhash Ghising also did his bit.

    Viva the Gorkha

  81. Jyoti Thapa,
    It is not necessary to be a friend of somebody to hear what he says. He is a man who had organized series of lecture seminars on various issues related with indian Nepali and I had heard him in one of those lectures about Bhagsu.I can talk about you with my friends, talk about your face, color of your dress, your thoughts etc. Does it mean that we know each other? I think you are assuming too many things. You are labelling me having Nepal inclination and the country not right for me. It may mean that I am a foreigner. You are drawing conclusion that I am friend of C.K Shrestha without knowing who I am? I do not know what BGP (C. K Shrestha) is doing or have done in Bhagshu, it is not my problem (personally)but what you have alleged him of doing in the name of Gorkhaland is a matter of concern to the Darjeeling.

  82. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    I have made no allegations just reported an event. If you want to paint it in colours of red and blue and create trouble, you will be creating more problems than you realise. Cant you undertsand something simply without making it all negative? IN any case, another BGP member/journalist said that the population of Himachal Gorkhas is of no consequence to the Darjeeling Gorkhaland identity and movement so why do you bother what i say. It is the quality what matters not quantity. Sorry to have hurt a fan of Shrestaji. Bhai, he is the best, Okay?

  83. If we rename the Nepali to Gorkhas what will be its affect to the Nepali living in Sikkim? Do they prefer to use the same? They had fought for the Nepali Language not for Gorkhali and it is they (Dil Kumari Bhandari etal) who spearheaded inclusion of Nepali language in 8th schedule.

  84. Jyoti Thapa,
    C.K Shrestha is the core of the issue here but about your assumptions. What he does is not my concern nor do I bother about. You are still assuming that I am your Bhai. Every body cannot be looked at sitting at the top.Stop assuming if you don’t have the clear data ask there is no harm in asking you will not become bahini(it seems You want to be didi at any cost) if you ask.

  85. Correction: C.K Shrestha is NOT the core issue instead of C.K Shrestha is the core of the issue here

  86. Terminator said

    I cannot make head or tail of what you are saying. I am down on the plains right now and you are sitting up in the hills so I can look up at you, no? And Bhai is a common Indian way of addressing a man. You go on and on like your hero who also goes on and on and on the dias

  87. Uttam Chhetri said

    Wanted to know more about the BGP but i dont think that they have a website neither any other information is available on the net.Can anyone guide me.

  88. Jyoti Thapa said

    I dont believe this. A darjeeling-based organisation spread over four zones of India holding continuous seminars on Gorkhaland. Someone please explain to uttam. I dont want to say anything because I am not from darjeeling and some people get mighty bothered by comments from another Indian Gorkha. talk about unity, hah! No vehement reactions to the Darj journalist’s mockery of Bhagsu Gorkhas which I mentioned earlier. I am seriously rethinking about this whole business of Gorkhaland

  89. Who you? – by Jyoti Thapa Mani(http://gorkhawelfaresociety.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/who-you-by-jyoti-thapa-mani/)
    Is this the situation in other places? Now I understand your aggressiveness. Don’t take me otherwise, it is worst than what Darjeeling is facing today. Bishal rai was correct in saying that the outside darjeeling Nepali speaking people face more hardships.

  90. Uttam Chhetri said

    i have heard a lot about the BGP and their seminars but what i was looking for was a neutral view on their contribution and worthiness and sincereity of the organisation.

  91. Bishal Rai 'Kirath' said

    Dear Bacha,

    I totally disagree with you for your irresponsible comments that you have made against Mr. Barun.

    Everyone must be gratefull to Mr. Barun where he has given us a platform where we can share our ideas and views.

    Everyday beacononline provides us with the information about Darjeeling. Esp. for those people who are away from Darjeeling.

    Furthermore, please be advised that its not mandate for you to contribute for beacononline.

    Barun, please dont get discouraged with these pseudo comments.

    Regards,
    Bishal Rai ‘Kirath’
    Gorkha Welfare Society, Delhi

  92. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Mukhiyaji
    I have taken offence at your aggression and rudeness especially about that didi-bhai rubbish. Where sympathy for Gorkhas outside darjeeling is concerned, go on and do something for them, instead of getting stuck in the Nepali-Gorkha whirlpool.

  93. Suman Nepal said

    you r right Ms Jyoti Thapa… and the same thing go for u too. Stop stuck in the Nepali-Gorkha whirlpool. try to make concept of Global Gorkhali (Nepali)….. Vishwo ka Gorkhali (Nepali) yek hau… Jai Gorkhai (Nepali), jai Gorkhaland.

  94. Upendra said

    Dear Jyoti Thapa, it’s kind of surprising that you’d blast off at Uttam Chettri for asking a simple question as to what BGPs role and function is, as majority of people in Darjeeling do not know what it is all about??

    My understanding of BGP is that it is an elitist organization, which only takes into it’s folds those who have a proven record of name, fame or power. They have never tried to communicate with the grass root level. However, having said that, BGP can be equated with the lobby groups in US, and we can safely say that this is the lobby group for Gorkhalis across India.

    Since it’s inception this group has been able to create some major opportunities for Gorkhalis across India. From amongst their many achievements, the one I feel is most important, has been the erection of Statue of Shahid Durga Malla in the Parliament House, New Delhi. Please click the link below to see that all the VVIPs of Indian politics were present, including Sonia Gandhi, Man Mohan Singh, LK Advani and others are paying respects to a Gorkhali freedom fighter finally.

    http://jorebungla.blogspot.com/2008/05/sahid-durga-malla-bgp-salutes-hero.html

    The BGP can act as the umbrella organization for all the Gorkhalis across India, however, they need to approach the grass roots level as well. Had the BGP been doing it’s work properly organization like Gorkha Welfare Society, Delhi and Gorkha Youth Association, Kolkatta would not need to be opened. BGP was supposed to fit the role of elder brother or elder sister for all Gorkhalis across India. However, due to their elitist mentality they have not succeeded to the extent they actually can.

    Further, I request well educated people like Jyoti and Jyoti from mud-slinging match they have indulged themselves in. Hope you will both act maturely.

    Regards

  95. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Do you’ll realise that when you’ll argue between yerselves it is alright. But when a Gorkha from outside Darj, says something, you’ll get very sensitive and gang up. This goes against the very concept of a Gorkhaland within India. I am here on this site because of the platform conceived by Barun. And people like Bishal Rai with whom together we have been doing things for the Gorkhas in Delhi. And for leaders like Mm Dil Kumari Bhandari and because I have respect for Mr Bimal Gurung’s gutsy ways of facing the CPIM’s strongarm tactics. Aardee, Bishal,I and many others also shared in the banner’We show solidarity for all Gorkhas’ at India gate. Mind you, There are hundreds of non-Gorkhas reading this site. Who needs to mature up is very obvious.

  96. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Hope you’ll also realise that other people are also sensitive. The day you stop hearing from me remember you have lost a strong real- not acquired- Gorkha supporter for Gorkhaland.

  97. Upendra said

    Dear all… this has gone much further than it should have… so let’s let it stop at that… let me say few things…

    Foremost, this whole debate started because of a small comment made by Amit Bhandari.. and I can totally understand his frustration, he was not being angry at what Aardee wrote/said… he was angry at not having the rights to make our own decision.. to any rational mind.. his words simply say… it’s not our fault, we do care and we have dreams and visions as well.. what we don’t have is the power to change it all.. and we are striving for it… Baas

    Aardee and Thapa Dee… we appreciate your dedication and sincerity towards Nepali/Gorkhali living in and across India and we are proud of all that you have done so far and we expect you to do more… see to speak the truth no one wants Gorkhaland for economic reasons… and the person who said you will benefit after we have Gorkhaland needs to be slapped…. didn’t U guys slap him/her??? Gorkhaland is about Identity about belonging and about being the part of the whole.

    Mukhia jee.. call yourself whatever you want to… Nepali/Nepalese/Gorkhali/Gurkha whatever you are what you are and no one can take that away from you. I am no supporter of Ghishing but the old fart had a point in demanding recognition for Gorkha Bhasa instead of Nepali… this was to differentiate the citizens of Nepal and India, period. People from Nepal in his mind would be called Nepali n people from India would be called Gorkha… moreover, there is a provision in Indian constitution under Article 3(c) for a new state to be craved out on the basis of language… Hope this clears your doubt whatsoever.

    As they say if you want to hide something keep it in the most obvious place, no one will look for it.. something very similar has happened and no one seems to have noticed… we are somehow dividing ourselves between Darjeeling vs Rest??? Do we want to stay/remain divided?? I leave the answer in your hands… Hope all of us will be very prudent from now on and say what we feel like saying without taking any offense whatsoever… This forum is for uniting Gorkhalis/Nepalis not dividing us…

    Further, CK Shrestha needs to be asked what he did with Rs 1000/- each that he collected from Bhagsu and other places… if it was for Gorkhaland what happened to it???

    Finally, I request you all to refrain from feeling sad and sorry for yourselves… if you support something, you are doing so because you believe in it and please don’t try to impress on others as to what you have done or what others will loose if you are gone… either stop commenting or stop taking offense…

    The revolution for Gorkhaland will continue and we will achieve Gorkhaland no matter what.. remember one thing though, since no one commenting here is Bhuka-Nanga,as all have access to computer and internet.. so all of us must be educated and economically doing better than most of our people… Hence, you may not need Gorkhaland but Gorkhaland does need you… hope you all got the point.

  98. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Slap someone who is a respected member of the frontliners? You guys would have killed me.

  99. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    For the last time please it is not about what they did with the money. My point was why since then not even one letter had been sent to anyone in the 4-5 towns they visited in Himachal at least to keep in touch and inform about the BGP’s latest work. It is basic courtesy

  100. Upendra said

    YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE KILLED ME??? I get your drift and no one would have killed you.. trust me.. Gorkhaland is much-much more important than any individual or leader…

    Hahahaha.. I can now see why you are still fuming… If any one said to me that I’d start to benefit from Gorkhaland, I’d have slapped him/her.. come on we are all Gorkhalis after all and we all eat Dal, Bhaat and Sabji.. and no one has the power to fly or turn us into mouse or something like that.. we need to tell people like those that Gorkhaland is not for personal benefit.. it’s for all of us.. for Gorkhalis/Nepalis of India

  101. Ms Jyoti Thapa said

    Pl also remember the other remark made about the population of Himachal’s Gorkhas being of no consequence to the identity of Gorkhas and Gorkhaland. Swaraj Thapa pl take this one

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