Comments on: Sikkim needs a study forum

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Kellsheds — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 13:13:33 +0000

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By: JTM

JTM — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:36:38 +0000

There should be historical and cultural museums so that people know their past, present and dont go around pushing rubbish and distorted versions of themselves around. Most of our social discord is because of ignorance.

By: PPA

PPA — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 04:26:09 +0000

Its a shame that we dont even have a cultural museum in SIkkim – there are no cultural institutions – are we culturally bankrupt? we have individual cultures – i know we have discussed at length about this and, we came to the conclusion that we have a heritage, we have tradition but, no significant contemporary culture. I think folks in Darjeeling and Kpg have more ties with their culture than we do. Its really disheartening and I hope it will change and, the culture department will be more responsible – and, instead of relying on the Govt as we accustomed to, we should start doing it for ourselves.

By: G chettri

G chettri — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:21:09 +0000

will find out How was the tika anyway. or No Tika

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:54:45 +0000

Full name please?

By: G chettri

G chettri — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:49:04 +0000

Famous General of P Shah

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:51:02 +0000

Now who is Paray Kazi?

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 07:47:34 +0000

Good CB Rana’s grandfather remained back. Many Gorkhas never returned back

By: G chettri

G chettri — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 06:04:54 +0000

Kunchanjunga Boisphere reserve, Sikkim.

By: G chettri

G chettri — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:53:47 +0000

during paray kazi time when was it

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 05:49:21 +0000

You have to specify which days. After Jang Bahadur Rana came to power titling him as Maharaj, after 1840s, the shahs had no power.

By: G chettri

G chettri — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:42:54 +0000

During those days it was ordered who comes back to Kathmandu without winning would be beheaded and according to local stories the group of Gorkha was badly defeated their leader had to go back to get more supply and three soldier were left back to guard the camp and two of them were killed by ambusers and one ran away and settle in place called sukbir khani he is supposed to be the Grand Father of CB Rana ( was prominent figure of Kalimpong)But I always wonder if it is the story than how did he meet his wife. Did he go back quietly and got his wife from nepal or how did he manage to get his wife.

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:31:19 +0000

# 8
Oh original lost tribe? I must go there. Please kindly provide guidelines to reach there.

BTW, some Kathmandu friends used to refer to me to as the Lost Nepali. Pot calling the kettle back.

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:29:01 +0000

Oh PS is Prithni Narayan Shah.

Anyway the Gorkha invasion of PS’s forces in 1788, called ‘Satal’ in the Sikkimese documents, were led by Magar Commandants Johar Singh Thapa and Purna Ale.

Historically, ‘the Nepalese relations with Tibet had deteriorated sufficiently to decalre a war against it and logically, its ally Sikkim’….
‘….Though the Gorkhas could not capture the capital (then Rabdanste), they nonetehless, kept up the siege, established a post at Nagri and controlled as far as the present day CHongtong or Chungthang tea estate in Darjeeling. Ganktok (then Gandhauk) remained the stronghold of the Sikkimese, into which the capital moved. The administration was run through a joint seal of the Subba of the Gorkhas and the Sikkimese Dewan.’
…’The gorkhas remained in occupation of Sikkim till after the the Anglo-Gorkha war and the the signing of the Treaty of Sugauli and finally of TReaty of Titilya in 1817. Until then they jointly ruled Sikkim.

It maybe remembered that the Chinese and marriage factors had overbearing influences on Sikkim. The Sikkim Gazetteer of 1894 recorded its opinion: “The last three Rajas(of Sikkim) had married Tibetan wives and ahve hled Tibetan propert and owned herds of cattles in Tibet. Women brought up in the dry clean air of Tibet could not withstand the moist warmth of Sikkim…..Their influence coupled with the Tibetan proclivities of their husbands promoted by the Nepalese invasion of the ocuntry induced Rajas to transfer the headquarters of their Gorvernments to the Valley of Chumbi…. Lepcha interests were neglected and Chumbi became the Hanovar of sikkim…………………………When the Raja of Sikkim suggested a sudden attack to over-power the Gorkhas shut themselves up in the fort. They evaded handing over the fort but finally the Subba agreed to hand over the Garrison if Captain Later agreed to purchase grain and stores valued at Rs 560/. This was done and the fort was taken by a detachment of British Sepoys on 13th April 1816.”

Friends, the Nagri fort is an important Gorkha heritage site and you;ll must get it approved by the local govt cultural bodies.

REf: Book ‘A Rediscovered History of Gorkhas’.

By: G chettri

G chettri — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:13:12 +0000

they speak their own language madam Magar vasa.

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:07:33 +0000

The Magars must ahve been from the same stock but got separated after birth and thenceforth got westernised and easternised.

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 04:01:06 +0000

They got defeated means they were ruling. Anyway all that does not matter now.
They do not utter a single Nepali. What do they speak in?
What is PS?

By: G chettri

G chettri — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:18:43 +0000

Magars as well as lepchas were there along with eastern nepal tribe Limboos and few others but according to legends Magars were defeated. you can still find magar villages in west sikkim in middle of nowhere they dont utter a single nepali. The population matters. The difference of this tribe with Lepchas are Lepchas never became part of PS zingbang maintain separate identity whereas somehow magar were warriors so PS always conspire against them to keep them under shah dynasty. Magar of east and west may have come from different stock.

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:13:14 +0000

hI Crystal welcome to this house of the BigBoss Barun. What we say here is khula aam janta ka diwan-e-aam.

By: JTM

JTM — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:11:27 +0000

Arrey Bhai Shitalji, it is very commendable that you are bringing out the heritage of the Lepchas. But please be politically correct. I believe that before the Lepchas came, the arae was a Magarath kingodm of the Magars and there are many local legends to this effect. i do not think any Magars are going to get possesive today, but please give everyone his due. History should be correct and sequential and unbiased. Because actually the truth never disappears. Even for a million years it remains hidden by man and unearthed by man. Even 3000 years old mummies in glaciers are being found today.

Sikkim is a great state with great people, no doubt it.

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