Light a candle for Sam Bahadur
Posted by barunroy on July 18, 2008
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July 19, 2008 at 5:51 am
TURNCOATS & TRAITORS LIKE BURUNG RAI ARE HARDLY QUALIFIED TO LIGHT A CANDLE FOR FM MANEKSHAW OR HIJACK HIS GOOD NAME FOR THEIR TRUMPED UP SEPARATIST CAUSE. MOST LIKELY YOU ARE MAKING HIM TURN IN HIS GRAVE !
HAVE THE DECENCY TO CEASE & DESIST FROM EXPLOITING FM MANEKSHAW’S MEMORY
July 19, 2008 at 6:52 am
Laird please go ask your family and friends to enlist you for a detox programme.
July 19, 2008 at 7:46 am
As a sign of protest I shall not light a candle for Sam. he was against the idea of Gorkhaland. My uncle who was in the Gorkha Regiment was blown up in Congo in the 60’s so i shall,instead, light one for him.
As i had stated earlier on this site he had passed adverse comment 20 yrs back during the last GL movement.
July 19, 2008 at 9:00 am
Dear Dipak
Can you Please elaborate more on when and what Sam said about Gorkhaland? Sorry about your uncle. He is indeed a martyr
July 19, 2008 at 11:50 am
On April 28th. 1988 Field Marshall Manekshaw bluntly stated in Kolkata that “Gorkhaland should never be granted” Notwithstanding his ignorance of the GNLF’s demands he said that the Indian Gorkhas “have all the weaknesses and vices of Indians” (The Statesman 29/4/88)
July 19, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Thanks JTM for the condolence. While Sam was against GL there were others in the Indian Army who understood the sentiments of the Gorkhas.
I quote a few of them:
Lt. Col Inderjit Singh Gill (Retd.)”W. Bengal can survive even without the Gorkhas, but India cannot take that risk”(Tel 29/8)
Major S. C. Garg “Is it wise to allow the mobilization of communism in the sensitive border areas like Darjeeling when the Chinese have again started their offensive in Arunachal Pradesh? Military concepts at least do not approve of it. So the Centre should give proper hearing to the grievances of the Gorkhas.” (Tel 13/9). Many serving army officers endorsed this view.
Lt. Col George Kutti who had 30 yrs association with various Gorkha regiments wrote:
I do not find any harm in separating Darjeeling and some contiguous territory from W. Bengal as is the demand of the Gorkhas (Tel. 15/9)
July 19, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Dear Mr Shrestha,
Thank you for sharing with us the few important unknown facts, it definately helps up see things clearly. I hope you can contribute more to this blog in the future too. My deepest respect to your brother.
July 19, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Dear Dipak
Thank you so much for your valuable inputs. These are the kind of information that makes the blog so important as it is the only way we can share,build and revise on the Gorkha in India together.
We will always be gratefull to Barun Roy for this
July 19, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Dear Dipak,
Thank you so much for this unknown info. I think we had been blindly praising this man.
I lighted a candle for him, but now I regret. We should have known this much earlier.
July 20, 2008 at 8:09 am
Sam was concerned with the gorkhas only as fighters obviuosly not as a race. It is a pity cos when he proclaimed he loved them very much, he should have thought about the soldiers home also
July 20, 2008 at 12:28 pm
This is news to me. Still it does not take away my respect for Sam Bahadur Manekshaw.
July 20, 2008 at 3:52 pm
thank god! jhandai i too lit the candle..hett! yo khaire mora ta khattam po raicha..saala broile kukhura..too much usineko alooo!!
July 20, 2008 at 10:12 pm
All I can say to that is that actions always speak louder than words and there is no denying that Manekshaw gave a lot of respect to the Gorkhas…why else did he go about always proclaiming we are the bravest and why else would he have made it a point at every occasion to seek out Gorkha faces in crowds and go to them and speak to them in Gorkhali/Nepali.
And I am not saying this for effect…my own 1st cousin when she was attending her son’s passing out parade (I think it was 2003/4) was singled out by FM Manekshaw to personally come over and congratulate her for her son getting commissioned into the army.
My Bada also during his staff college was singled out and especially made to feel “special” just because he was married to a Gorkhali girl from Doon.
Even ex Chief of Army Staff Gen VP Mallik, has recently in a column that he wrote in the Outlook mentions how after he (Mallik) got married to a Doon girl the Field Marshal specifically asked him “Hope you married a good Gorkha girl from Doon”.
On my grand dad’s retirement he as reference for a job with one of the big industrial houses in Calcutta had put down FM Manekshaw’s name… the company called to check…and the Field Marshall unhesitatingly recommened my baje saying he was one of the finest officers and had been his senior.
I continue to have great regard for the grand ol man and continue to state that he did a lot for the Gorkhas and their image in the armed forces.
July 20, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Dipak would help if you gave us the year of the quotes you mention.
July 21, 2008 at 8:11 pm
“Love thy enemy”,don’t regret if you have lit a candle people,why mess around with the dead….Forgive and Forget.
Look at the human insanity we are surrounded by……..
July 21, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Aardee, he has mentioned The Statesman 29/4/8
I like this light a candle idea. Let us do this for the death anniversary of our freedom fighters Durga Mall, Dal Bahdur Thapa, Ram Singh Thakur and everybody else.
July 21, 2008 at 8:56 pm
“”Let us do this for the death anniversary of our freedom fighters Durga Mall, Dal Bahdur Thapa, Ram Singh Thakur and everybody else.”"….this is a very good idea…but dont you think as a INDIAN you should also celebrate death anniversary of our freedom fighter like “Mahatma Gandhi, Sardar Ballav Bhai patel, Subhash Bose, khan Abdul Guffar Khan!!!…..
July 21, 2008 at 8:58 pm
All of them have fought with british….
July 21, 2008 at 9:03 pm
But raja, there are millions who light candles for them but nobody does for martyrs from our community.
As an Indian do you even know about the Gorkha freedom fighters for India? I do not think so. See
July 21, 2008 at 9:07 pm
On the 12th of this month, in Himachal’s Amar Ujala, a professor wrote about how in 1857, a Gorkha battalion mutinied against the British in Shimla. The Brits had to run helter skelter into the hills and take asylum from the local rajas who were their stooges any way. One Brit also had his head chopped off. In the aftermath, two Gorkha soldiers were hung in the prison of Dagsahi, nearby. Do you know all this? No.
The first battles against the British were by the Gorkhas in 1814—1815! Do you know that?
July 21, 2008 at 9:12 pm
@Jyoti,
I have read indian history where we can know the name of Indian Freedom fighters but didn’t get any gorkha freedom fighters name who have fough for India against British. Had Durga Mall, Dal Bahdur Thapa, Ram Singh Thakur fought for Indian Freedom, please let me know??? …..But yes we came to know from history that there was lot of Gorkha soldiers in INA led by Sri Subhash C. Bose who have fought for freedom….
July 21, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Mahavir Giri from Darjeeling and Kharag Bahadur Bist from Doon participated with Gandhiji in his Dandi march. Do you know that? For a minority community of Nepalese origin, our contribution to India is unsurpassed and amazing! What a race, the Gorkhas!
July 21, 2008 at 9:14 pm
If you dont what Indian are you? Red Indian?
July 21, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Then raja you do agree that we have not received our worth from India? Time to rectify all of this, no?
July 21, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Ohho…atleast I came to know all about it….good….
But dont be sad ….that’s govt. faults…as you know in every nations the minorities are treated bad (Though India is far better…just see Pakistan & Bangladesh)……Govt. of India should realise it fast and should feel that everyone citizen should get same dignity…….But I really dont like those who are discussing about Greater Nepal….are they anti Indians???..
July 21, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Discussing it as history is not anti-Indian. Expecting it back is. I discuss it too. Anything wrong with that? Truth like oil always comes to the top, says Confuciuos
i am not sad, non-Gorkha Indians should be sad that they are missing out such a great race in their midst
July 21, 2008 at 9:25 pm
@Jyoti,
“Then raja you do agree that we have not received our worth from India? Time to rectify all of this, no?”
Yes I have supported your GL demand but it should be based on present demographic situation not by past history…..so plain area like siliguri and dooars (totally bengali & adibasi dominated)cant be included in GL as your leaders know that it will never come under GL if it creates then why why unnecessary he is creating tension???….
Just think that as per past history your Kumayun and Garowal was a part of Nepal but have you peoples started to demand to make another GL there?? why ?? as you know your population is less in number so one one will accept that demand….BG and his gangs should realise it….Am I not right??
July 21, 2008 at 9:28 pm
@Jyoti,
Plz correct last para…
Just think that as per past history your Kumayun and Garowal was a part of Nepal but have you peoples started to demand to make another GL there?? No.why ?? as you know your population is less in number so no one will accept that demand….BG and his gangs should also realise this logic is applicavle in siliguri and dooar areas.Am I not right??
July 21, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Ekhun tumi baje katha karchho. Bhalo kathar madhe abaar sehi obsession echhe gachhe. Watch another film. You are not right. So Good nite
July 21, 2008 at 9:32 pm
I’m not right?? ha ha ha….you have to cross my points using logic…Good night for now….take care..bye….
July 21, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Dont forget to memorise the names all the Gorkha greats I have taught you. For India.
And for yr other queries try to engage someone else.
If you are convinced will you take active part for Gorkhaland?
July 21, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Hi,
again you have started..still didn’t sleep??…..but how can I convince?? as my point is GL map…..which need to be changed…other than I have no problems
July 21, 2008 at 10:47 pm
@Jyoti,
how can I convince myself?? as my point is GL map…..which need to be changed…other than I have no problems for GL as I have told earlier…..after all it will remain as a part of our India…..
tell someone to make me convinced….
okie good night to you ….tc
July 21, 2008 at 10:48 pm
@jyoti
aapni ki hindi serial dekhen??? eto raag jege???
July 21, 2008 at 10:49 pm
raat
July 21, 2008 at 10:59 pm
@Jyoti,
okie I will try to engage someone else who can make me convince…….
July 22, 2008 at 2:07 am
perhaps FM manekshaw meant otherwise….making Gorkhas feel amalgamated with other communities living in India.But fact is that he was Gorkhaphilic..and true Soldier worth our respects and reverence.
July 22, 2008 at 6:56 am
Dipak Shrestha Says:
Dipak & Jyoti
Sorry cannot find this in the Statesman website…you sure you got the dates right?
The Statesman 29/4/8 or should that read 29/4/88?? Also would be interesting to know what was the article about - since you Dipak have only quoted a Manekshaws words…in what context was it said in the article?
Also other dates u mention only tell te DATE & month no years…
July 22, 2008 at 7:59 am
Bhai Dipakji
Pl try to send the cutting or refrence of 29/4/1988.
Sam had great love for the Gorkhas as the best soldiers Indian army has. As most officers they cannot see beyond that. Also many officers still continue to believe that all Gorkhas are from Nepal. Because in Sam’s time 80% of his gorkhas were from Nepal.
Sam was also very British in his outlook.
Sam probably could not digest the Gorkhaland news as to him it appeared rebellious used to Gorkhas as soldiers.
The hero of the 1971 war was Genral Jagjit Singh Arora.
Yes Sam did bring a lot of fame and glory to the 8th Gorkha regiment and we are appreciative of his praises of the Gorkhas.
July 22, 2008 at 8:57 am
As an army man, Sam could have voiced some opinion on ‘Gorkhas under the leadership of Ghishing types’
Aardee, Sam stands highly for the Gorkha Regiments but cannot be forced down on those from non-army backgrounds.
The need of the hour being our own heroes from the army or freedom struggle or other fields from every corner of India as besides us noone else is bothered.
On the other hand we are well-learned about India, from what i gather from my exchanges on the blog. We know all about the well-known Indian herores. It is time to know our own.
And I appreciate friends like PJ, Pranavesh, YKs, Bishal and a few others who are eclectic enough to give feedback on my pic postings because they have realised all this belongs to the Gorkha heritage and community everywhere.
July 23, 2008 at 12:00 am
hai friends,
I read some blogs. I am really sad to read some of the comments. Have we become so selfish that we are showing respect to this great Man!!!
Kindly dont pull the legs of our respected late SAM, He has supported Gorkha land or not that doest not mean that we will start criticizing this great man.I am not understanding what kind of peoples we are??? dont we peoples have little respect for him who has fought so many wars for our country??If we are not agreed then we should keep our mounth shut and stay cool as we dont have any right to dishonoured him.No one coming to you and requesting to lit a candle, it’s upto you what you will do. if your not interested then stay cool but dont dishonour this Man,dont try to disturb him as he is sleeping deeply for ever in heaven.
July 23, 2008 at 12:27 am
@jai Bharat
We most certainly respect him and acknowledge his contributions to our country. But what you have to keep in mind is that even millions of Gorkhas have fought numerous wars and are still sacrificing their lives for the country. Inspite of everything, these gutless clowns called politicians label up as foreigners. Why is your mouth shut to all these atrocities being commited? Are you blind?
July 23, 2008 at 12:49 am
How upsetting!I went thru some blogs here and found some not lighiting a candle for Sam just becoz he did not support Gorkhaland.Dudes,the candle is not for his support or denial for Gorkhaland but for his bravery,honesty,and uncanny acumen which helped him /us to win the war.We can not just expect everybody to be a supporter of Gorkhaland,its foolishness.And Sam wasn’t a Gorkha by birth either.
No doubt, I lighted one.
July 23, 2008 at 7:00 am
JTM no question of forcing anyone…I still say every one is allowed to express their opinion.
I only speak for my self personally and for those in my family and friends circle that know of Sam Bahadur and his respect for the Gorkhas…Any one that respects Gorkhas deserves to be respected.
Besides Sam Manekshaw did great service to the country and our community in uniform as well as in civvies.
He was also instrumental in getting support & encouraging Football amongst the Gorkhas.
Yes I am waiting to see the post from Dipak from the Telegraph!