ROY’S MUSINGS: Its time to see things beyond the veil of political conspiracies
Posted by barunroy on January 17, 2009
BY BARUN ROY
In the chaos of the world’s largest democracy that we are so proud of, it seems, now we have the right to bear arms. A group of more than hundred youths, male and female, carrying the colours of Akhil Bharatiya Adivasi Vikash Parishad stood brandishing bows and arrows, khukuris, rods, batons a mere distance away from a contingent of West Bengal Police. Yet not a single individual was arrested. More of such armed groups barricaded through out Malbazaar area waiting for the Gorkha Janmukti Nari Morcha procession. The plan was simple. Stop the procession and mount an attack. Stones would be pelted and if both the groups were to be in an arms distance weapons would be used. The bows and arrows would come handy in mounting an agressive aerial attack. The date for the Akhil Bharatiya Adhivasi Vikash Parishad strike and the Gorkha Janmukti Nari Morcha ‘Dooars March’ had been set months earlier. The State Intelligence Bureau knew everything that were to occur and so did the police, the local administration and the Writers Building… But did they do anything? No!
The Police did not disband any of the marauding hordes of ABAVP cadres. IPC Section 144 should have been clamped down before the armed groups of ABAVP started marching around. The IPC Section 144 should have been clamped down before the contingent of Gorkha Janmukti Nari Morcha reached the Dooars. But then again, the West Bengal Police did not react. Instead Police personnels were kept in between the two groups ‘in a bid’ to stop violence! This move by the State Government, the local adminsitration and the West Bengal Police smacks of incompetence. While the Communist Party of India Marxists may have wanted such clashes to occur for political reasons, the State Government and the Police answerable to the people of the state and not a political party must take necessary steps for such things from happening in the future.
The West Bengal Government must think beyond the lines of the party ideology and the party objectives. It must learn to act and react like a people’s Government. The State Government functionaries like the Local Government, the Police and the Intelligence Bureau are there to protect the interest of the people and not the interest of the political bosses. What occurred at Dooars could have severe, long lasting and unwarranted consequences and the Government must take full responsibility for it. It is sad that the political leaders albeit from all political parties concerned have forgotten that their most important responsibility is towards the people.
The leaders of Akhil Bharatiya Adhivasi Vikash Parishad and Gorkha Janmukti Morcha must immediately take steps to engage each other in talks. The Gorkha Janmukti Morcha must make the leaders of the Akhil Bharatiya Adhivasi Vikash Parishad understand that conflict between the two will only destroy the chances of the betterment of the people each represent. The leaders of Akhil Bharatiya Adhivasi Vikash Parishad must refrain from being directed by the Communist Party of India Marxist functionaries. Instead Akhil Bharatiya Adhivasi Vikash Parishad must become an independent representative of all Adhivasi communities in Dooars Terai. The Adivashi people including the Rajbongshis, Totos, Mechs are ancient inhabitants of the contigious area which completes the Gorkhaland map as demaned by Gorkha Janmukti Morcha and as such, they become an integral part of the movement of Gorkhaland. Gorkhaland being a constitutional demand must now not just involve the Gorkhas. It must now also involve the Adivashis. Perhaps in the recent future efforts will be made by both Gorkha Janmukti Morcha and Akhil Bharatiya Adhivasi Vikash Parishad to come closer to each other and win each other’s confidence and become partners in the struggle in the betterment of the both the Adhivasis and the Gorkhas. Gorkha Janmukti Morcha must immediately withdraw strikes and refrain from retailatory action. Akhil Bharatiya Adhivasi Vikash Parishad leaders must think independently and try to rationalize their activities. They must understand that without their involvement in the Gorkhaland movement, they might not have anything to be involved with creatively and least that the author may be proved wrong, they might become pawns in the hand of the functionaries of Communist Party of India Marxists.
The future for all the marginalised people in Bengal is in partnership agains the Communist forces not in internal strife.
MMM said
A very one sided article,such articals would more to mounting tensions!
Its a very sick form of journalism!
dawa said
MMM,
Just read newspapers from Kolkata to know what is the sick side of journalism. Many Nepalis houses were burnt, it was mentioned only in one newspaper. Fortunately the writer was an Indian (not Bengladeshi).When houses were burnt..all the your bangladeshi newspapers were flodded with OH…so…sad articles/dramas like Ekta kapoor serials. Now, why dont they publish about those innocent people whose houses were destroyed by your MEN (or CHAKKAS)?
dawa said
Darjeeling erupts again as GJM, opponents clash; Special IG, DSP among 25 cops injured
Kartyk Venkatraman (he is an INDIAN, not a Bangladeshi like those who write for other news papers of KOLKATA)
FROM SIFY
A large number of people were injured, including at least 25 police personnel, in a clash between supporters of the Gorkha Janamukti Morcha (GJM) and the anti-Gorkhaland groups in Nagrakata and Malbazar towns of Jalpaiguri district on Friday.
The injured, included Special IG (Jalpaiguri Range) Zulfiqar Hassan and the District Superintendant of Police Manoj Verma.
Police had to resort to firing several rounds in the air, besides lobbing tear gas shells and leading a lathi-charge, Verma told The Indian Express.
“We had anticipated trouble during the bandh. However, things got out of hand when the GJM took out a huge rally on Friday. Both sides had firearms and sharp-edged weapons including khukris and swords. Police teams, which rushed in, were assaulted by the agitators. At the moment, we are not able to say how many civilians were injured, but the number is high. They have been admitted to various hospitals,” Verma said.
Police said the maximum injuries were in Nagrakata, while clashes raged in Malbazar and Meteli. Verma said one person has been arrested with firearms and live cartridges. He added that the situation was tense, but under control following the deployment of a massive police contingent.
IGP (Law & Order) Raj Kanojia said 15 people have been arrested in connection to the clashes. In a bid to increase police back-up during the clashes, the Darjeeling police were summoned from the neigbouring district.
Darjeeling SP Rahul Srivastav said he had led a police contingent to Malbazar, around 80 km from Darjeeling to assist in controlling the mob.
Prohibitory orders under Section 144 CrPC had been clamped since Thursday night following a 24-hour bandh call by the Akhil Bharatiya Adivasi Vikas Parishad (ABAVP) to prevent the GJM from taking out the rally, IGP (Law & Order) Raj Kanojia said in Kolkata.
“Trouble has been brewing since several days now. However, the GJM rally broke through the police barricades,” Kanojia said.
Police said a large mob numbering several hundred, which included ABAVP supporters, had gathered in Malbazar at two places. “The GJM rally angered the ABAVP bandh enforcers and the public, and clashes erupted almost immediately. Besides the ABAVP, we suspect that Bengali organisations like Amra Bangalee and Jana Jagaran Manch were also involved in clashing with the GJM rallyists,” a police officer said.
The Adivasis, along with the non-Nepali residents of the plains, are against the GJM’s bid to include their areas along with the Darjeeling Hills in their demand for a separate Gorkhaland. In the first week of December, a similar clash had erupted in Hamiltonganj when GJM supporters sought to enforce their shutdown call for government offices. More than 30 people on both sides were injured, including 10 policemen.
The Hamiltonganj clash had nearly derailed the ongoing tripartite talks to find a solution to the Hills issue, with the Morcha demanding that several anti-GJM persons involved in the clash be arrested as a precondition to the participation. This time, Morcha general secretary Roshan Giri told The Indian Express the Nagrakata clashes would not affect the talks.
“We have faxed a letter to the Home Minister and the Union Home Secretary highlighting the collusion between the adivasis and the Jalpaiguri administration. Our women’s wing, the Gorkha Narimukti Morcha, had prior permission to take out a rally in Nagrakata, but the CPM cadres instigated the adivasis and got the police to barricade entry points. They attacked the women rallyists with weapons resulting in injuries to more than 20 of our supporters. They also ransacked several Nepali homes,” Giri said.
He added that a total bandh has been called in the Hills, which would continue on Saturday.
tatu said
You have no business to teach Govt what to do. You better asked GJMM of their source of money. Have you any proof of CPMS relation with ABAVP? Morcha leaders caught with weapons in Malbazar and as per police report Morcha peoples carried deadly weapons in Malbazar. If, tomorrow this Adivasi ask for Adivasi land include Darjeeling and try to enter darjeeling with goons and weapons, what will be your reaction. First make Darjeeling hills a finacialy dependent area. Darjeeling hills leaves on govt doal. Darjeeling is second richest dist in West Bengal due to govt dole. Adivasis are enough intellegent to understand the hidden agenda of GJMM. They know what is going on Sikkim, Darjeeling and Nepal. They know very well for whomm they are loosing their jobs, business in Dooars.
angelina lepcha said
I have become sick and tired of CPIM government in West Bengal. They are trying the same trick in hills too. For centuries.Bhutias, Lepchas and Gorkhas have been living together like “nag ra masu jasto” and they are trying to make us fight. Adhivasis in dooars already fell prey to their TRAP.
PLEASE STOP this nonsense !
Malik said
MMM, this is sick journalism. I must agree. This site and its promoter represents only one view, the so-called Gorkhaland view.
Now you want the West Bengal government to be a people’s government. Where was the sanity when the GL licence plates were in vogue?
Why should Adivasis Join up with the Nepalese? Just to satisfy Gurung’s ego?
Or you think these people can’t decide for themselves?
These places that you are demanding and what a demand – to descend down from the hills and claim it to be yours…the same thing happened in Shiliguri earlier too, you think it is justified? Yes, it is one’s freedom to hold peaceful demonstrations, but when your so-called “freedom” encroaches on other people, then it is no longer your “right,” but the other person’s right to object to your gathering as well.
I have myself seen first hand this. A mob of Nepalis in North Bengal telling Adhivasi tribals to get out – stating that these people were “outsiders.” Where do the Nepali people come from? Born from this land? I think the Adhivasis have more of a right to call this land (Here I mean India) than a bunch of wanna-bees from you know where.
Just like a lot of people say Bangladeshis get back, similarly other people have every right to say Nepalis get back. I don’t see any difference in the point of views.
Gorkhaland is never going to happen. This is only a precursor to bringing in the CRPF and paramilitary forces and then it is deja-vu.
Tomorrow you will have the Bangladeshi refugees claim their own state. Then yes, the Rajbonshis, they need their own state too (why should they share the pie with Gorklaland). Then each tribe can have a piece of their own state. They all have their same unique cultures and languages. And feelings too.
Johnny Gorkha said
More coming down baby ! THERE IS NO BACKING NOW !!!
JAI GORKHA JAI GORKHALAND !
JTM said
TRue. Thre will be hazaar more, Because Indian states created after 1947 have been allowed to govern the people like mini feudalistic, communal coloured dominions.
rahul said
just who/what does barun roy think he is? what were the people in duars expected to do? arrange for a welcome party? how would the people in the hills react if tomorrow we lead a rally there shouting provocative slogans? and why will adivasis agree to be a part of gl movement? what do adivasis and nepalis have in common? isn’t fundamental difference the foun dation of gl agitation? let mr. gurung account for the moneyhe’s been getting for the last 1 year from he wb govt via intermediaries first. can the journalist in barun roy dig deeper and get to the bottom of this. i’ll provide him with leads if he has the guts to uncover the truth.
Subroto Banerjee said
I don’t know why you are all so agitated against Barun? What he has said is the truth. What happened was allowed to happen by the Administration. The question that he asks are valid? Why were the people with arms whichever side they were not arrested? 144 should have been put into force since the dawn. Why are you so upset when a journo has the guts to come out against the Communist government? When he is saying that the government should be responsible to the people and not to the party – in the ‘people’ you and I are also included! I think you are all so hypocrites. The Adhivasis, Gorkhas and all Bengalis must now unite to uproot this communist government, period!
amitava said
Kudos Barun, at least someone has the guts to speak the truth, the West Bengal Government, the Adhivashi Vikash Parishad and Gorkha Janmukti morcha are merely using the people as fuel to fuel their personal or collective political agenda. We the people must now start seeing things beyond the viel of these political conspiracies or else all is lost.
S SARKAR said
HELLO BARUN,
THANKS A LOT FOR THE ARTICLE.
THE GORKHAS AND THE ADIVASIS HAVE ONE FEATURE IN COMMON-THAT BOTH ARE MARGINALISED MINORITIES AND THERE IS EVERY CHANCE THAT IN VERY NEAR FUTURE ALL OF THEM WILL BE SUBMERGED IN THE SO-CALLED ‘MAINSTREAM’CULTURE IN BENGAL.
rahul said
i have just on question…were anyone of you there when this incident took place? i was there at malbazar in person. my eyewitness version is vastly different from barun’s. so either i was dreaming or barun is the biggest liar i have come across. its not about politics anymore…its about one’s patience…duars’s patience has been tested..now the govt will have a taste of our fury….the politicians better act
amitava said
Dear Rahul,
If you were present there then let me ask you – will clashes with Gorkha Janmukti Morcha cadres and supporters help the interests of the Adhivasis. It is not about Bengalese, Adhivasis or Gorkhas and I believe that Barun has put that in good perspective – it is about people and they falling victim to the crooked conspiracies of the political parties. I was also there and I am a tribal myself. I am a Rajbongshi. We are perhaps the most depressed and marginalised of people besides other tribals in the state. Ok here, is the question what are the political objectives of the ABAVP? Today CPIM is using ABAVP and the day, their objectives are achieved they will throw us up like an unwanted child. Why clash with the Gorkhas, aren’t we both the exploited people in the state. Do you know how a full blown Bengali treat a Rajbongshi? Whatever, I think instead of saying that we will show the GJM and the Gorkhas and the Nepalis and whatever, instead of shooting arrows and throwing bricks, i think we both – tribals and Gorkhas must think logically – aren’t the Communist Party and the State Government playing us against each other…. Beyond the anger we must rationalise our thoughts.
Hazam said
Rahul why don’t you give your version of the story since you were there in person.
S SARKAR said
HI BARUNBABU,
PLEASE LET ME SAY SOMETHING IN REPLY TO SOME COMMON POINTS BEING RAISED BY SOME GUYS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR LATEST ARTICLE:
1) IT WAS EXPECTED THAT THE GJMM WOULD NOT BE WELCOMED WITH ‘RASAGULLAS’;HOWEVER IT DID NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY DESERVED TO BE WELCOMED WITH OPEN LETHAL ARMS,ESPECIALLY THE WOMEN OF THE ‘NARI MORCHA BAHINI’WERE IN THE LEAD OF THE RALLY.THE PICTURES TAKEN BY THE MEDIA PEOPLE BORE AMPLE PROOF IN THIS RESPECT.
2)WHO ARE PROVOKING THE ADIVASIS TO MARCH UPHILL AND WHY? HAS ANYBODY HEARD OF SUCH A POSSIBILITY?CITIZENS OF INDIA CAN MOVE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY TO AGITATE ON ANY ISSUE SUBJECT ONLY TO SOME REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS SPECIFICALLY LAID DOWN IN THE CONSTITUTION OF INDIA.IF ANY CAUSE APPEARS IN FUTURE LEADING TO THE ADIVASIS GOING UPHILL FOR ANY DEMAND OR PROTEST, THERE SHOULD BE NO ELEMENT OF SURPRISE IN IT AND THAT MATTER SHOULD BE SEEN AS PER THE CONTEXT ONLY. WHY SO MUCH SPECULATION NOW? IT IS TOTALLY BASELESS AND INDICATES TO QUARRELSOME CHARACTER OF THOSE PEOPLE.
3)AS REGARDS DEMAND FOR SEPARATE LAND BY THE BANGLADESHI REFUGEES-
FIRST,ALL THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM BANGLADESH SHOULD BE KICKED ON THIER BACKS AND DRIVEN OUT OF INDIA IMMEDIATELY,IF POSSIBLE, ALONGWITH THEIR SYMPATHISERS.
SO MANY ‘COLONIES’THAT HAVE GROWN UP OVER THE YEARS SINCE BIDHAN CH. ROY’S REGIME CAN BE LEGITIMATELY CALLED SEPARATE STATES ALBEIT TINY ONES.ISN’T IT?
3)
amitava said
Dear Exposer, instead of calling names why don’t you engage him in an intellectual debate. Since you have already declared him to be a lowliest form of life-form you should have no problem of winning the debate!
Exposer, I think you lack the guts, grit and brain to be called a true Bengali. True Bengalis are people who speak out their mind but sadly it seems you speak out through your A#4 as your mind is all hollow!
rahul said
first i will respond to amitava…i am bengali from north bengal…hills and duars…and no…not a bangladeshi…don’t know what amitava meant by full blown bengali…but i have never differentiated between adivasis, rajbonshis or gorkhas so far…and have never faced any discrimination either…..if you talk about marginalisation..the entire region has been marginalised…the bengalis included…travel around north bengal..you’ll see what i mean. my problem lies with the fact that i am expected to give up my rights just because i am not a gorkha!! my right to defend my land…and this right belongs to each one of us….gjm seeks to take away that right through force and coercion. thats something i will not accept. i have nothing against nepalis…they are the most loyal and friendliest people…i grew up among them…its the politicians who get on my nerves did anybody see one frontline morcha leader yesterday…they were too busy giving sound bytes to the media
soulpower said
Tatu is like one bloody cockeyed SOB coz he/she/beechme! will always see things from his/her/their! point of view albiet the fact that he/she/beechme! will never be able to differentiate his/her/their! ass from his/her/their! elbow.His/her/their! comments are a remarkable example of the kind of education that the so called commie govt has been advocating in the past although the children of the same party members/cadres/paid/bought/suddenly enlightened people have suddenly found themselves to be at the receiveing end of stuff like ur mother tounge influence is like too bad and blah blah!Sorry try next time! when they go for job interviews because thats exactly what happens from commie education. U end up like a jackass in front of the real world. So his /her/beechme ka comments can be pleasantly forgotten like the last piss u took in the woods. Its natural! Opinions are like assholes! Everybodys got one!
rahul said
m/s sarkar/hazam, this did not start yesterday. truckloads of people started oming down from kalimpong subdivision on 13th morning..for their duars chalo campaign..it was supposed to be fronted by nari morcha but there weren’t too many naris. they were shouting slogans demanding gl in dooars…in nepali…and yes i understand the language. if “ladke lenge pakistan” was considered provocative then “gorkhaland chaainchha” is also provocative. if avp defied 144 so did morcha. considering what morcha did in rohini and termed it as “spontaneous outburst”, what happened in mal bazar was peanuts.
barunroy said
Dear Mr. Sarkar,
Greetings from Darjeeling! I do agree that the article would raise a lot of eyebrows. It was supposed to. I favour the Right to Self Determination as enshrined in our Constitution. I have also now come to understand that the demands of statehood like Gorkhaland, Telangana, Greater Coochbehar, etc etc, is due to the manifestation of the intrinsic shortcomings in our federal structure and that such demands will only rise as time goes on.
West Bengal in essence comprises of the Bengali, the Adhivasis and the Gorkhas. The Adhivasis themselves comprises of Rajbongshis, the Coochs, the Mechs, Totos, Santhals and so on. The Gorkhas on the other part comprises of the Gorkha people, Bhutias, Sherpas, Lepchas and so on. Now all these people have been in the state since the dawn of independence and are part and parcel of the states fortune. But sadly, long have we Bengalis thought of ourselves to be the only people residing in this state. When I say so I am not being anti-Bengali. I am saying that we Bengalis will have to learn to share the administrative, social and cultural aspects of the state with these people who are in fact our brethrens. The issue is not political but indeed social. If we had been successful in pleasing every constituent people of the state would such demands for separate statehood ever had risen? No. In essence, we have failed and in essence this was not our fault either. This was the fault of the Communist party lead government which choose to overlook ethnic communities in the state and marginalise them. What we are facing today is nothing but the failure of a party and the government to take care of not just Bengali population but the entire population in the state.
Another important thing is the vulnerability of the state functionaries of being manipulated by the parties – be it local administration, police or the intelligence. I am against all violence and I am as much in favour of the Adhivasis as I am in favour of the Gorkhas and the Bengalis. I am against this insanity that seems to prevail all over the region.
Now for you questions:
1. it was never expected that the ABAVP would welcome GJM with garlands or sweets but it as also never expected that there would be a violent clash. But the intelligence agencies and the government knew of the potential of such an incident. Why did they not act before hand? Are the police merely a reactionary force? Shouldn’t 144 be declared before the clashes occurred when truckload of GJM supporters landed at Dooars and when hundreds of ABAVP cadres marched around brandishing their weapons. I was there and yes, I witnessed it. Why did the Police and the Local Administration wait for the incident to escalate and then react?
2. The Adivashis have as much right as anyone else in this nation to demand anything under the purview of the Indian Constitution and they can come up hill and hold meetings but neither the Gorkha Janmukti Morcha cadres nor the Adivashis nor the Communist Party of India Marxist have the right to disturb the peace. I have always maintained that Gorkha Janmukti Morcha have played right in the hand of the State Government and the Communist Party by having its cadres albeit women march to the Dooars. The result has been that the Communists have now been able to convince the Adivashis that they are in threat of cultural and social subjugation if ever Gorkhaland was formed and Dooars Terai was included in the state. I think the way the adivashis have reacted is also the result of Gorkha Janmukti Morcha’s short sightedness in dealing with the Dooars Terai.
Now the biggest question, what are the demands and political aspirations of ABAVP? Believe it or not – the only political ideology that can fuel a regional political party based on ethnicity is – Statehood. If a party is named X Vikash Parishad, X Liberation Front and so on it will eventually demand for an Xland and based on the provisions of the Constitution of the nation, it will again be a valid demand. Then again will Adivasis to be blamed for the division of Bengal if they were to demand tomorrow for an Adhivasiland?
What we must understand that there is a serious flaw in our federal structure and that our constitution needs to be checked and redrawn if all the people of this nation are to be satisfied. Until then every struggle that will be for Self Determination as guaranteed by the Constitution will be Anti-Bengali, Anti-Tamil, Anti-so on and so forth.
Regs
Barun
JTM said
Whetver GJMM is blamed for, it is a fact, that the Adibasis were all armed with violent weapons. They were not exactly empty-handed. They are guilty of taking the law in their hands and being a lethal threat to society.
soulpower said
OUT OF CONTEXT COMMENTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED WITHOUT GIVING ANY JUSTIFICATIONS
Thats what Barun says in his most decent manner, but ive got a message for you keyboard happy monkeys out there:
Let me put this the Half Witted bong way U know they love to be spoken to point wise!)
Point number 1. Think before you type.
Point number 2. If ure really doubtful of your intellectual level and you think you need to speak to the really smart people then write to Suhel Seth on Graphitti.(He knows how to screw u numbnuts every weekend!)
Point number 3. We are OK with Barun and his views.(and that involves people worldwide! Bujhtepaarchis)
Point number 4. If u want attention the climb up the nearest tall structure you see.(Baaki sab competition me tho doosra log tere itne pail denge ki teri ………………..nuff said!)
FINALLY!
OUT OF CONTEXT COMMENTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY MADE TO SEE AND FEEL THE POOR LIGHT OF YOUR PERSONALITY AS WELL AS YOUR POOR UPBRINGING AND EXISTENCE IN CONDITIONS, SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN A SLUM.(WHICH IS REFLECTED BY YOUR NONSENSE!)
HAVE A NICE DAY!
Maximus said
“You can fool all the people for some time, some people for all the time but not all the people for all the time”
GJMM cannot fool around with the people of the hills for an eternity. Some people are suggesting a handshake between ABAVP and GJMM. How can one expect engaging intellectually with a band of marauding hoodlums who can at best be defined as SCUM!!
What was the requirement of holding a rally in the dooars when it was very well known to the GJMM leadership that the Adivasis are not cosy about the idea of a Gorkha dominated and governed region? perhaps to show their muscle strength! However now that their asses had been whacked like anything they have turned cry babies!
And for god’s sake dont call GJMM as a champion of the marginalized people’s hope. They are themselves trying to marginalize every other community that is not Gorkha… the lepchas and Adivasis know that very well.
Before shedding croc tears about the marginalised GJMM should think what have they done to the Lepchas in the hills.
tatu said
In Dooars GJMMs are the outsider attacker and Adivasis are their to protect their own land and family. As per police report A good number of GJMM cader are arrested for carrying deadly weapons. Every body has right to protect their land and family from the outsider, communal, violant attacker by any means. Adivasis are doing the same rather they are not so much violance as GJMM.
tatu said
So called Nepali intellectuals are not aginst only Lepachas, Bhutias, Bengalis , marwaris, Tibetians etc they are now even aginst Adivasis also. Kudos to the so called Self declared Nepali/Gorkha intellectuals. World is watching as well as Adivasis also.
rahul said
wow!!soulpower is more of a lung power…or is it finger power!!?/
MMM said
The article seems like some one from GJM wrote it!
I have few questions for this article:
1)Who gave the gorkha leaders seating in Darjeeling the right to represent Adivasis,rajbansis&bengalis in the plains?
2)Why GJM demanding a state named ‘Gorkhaland’,if its going to be a state for adivasis as well?
3)if they think there is full public support for GL in duars why do they need to bring volenteers,all gorkhas from the hill to the plains&why do they need body gaurd(GLP) for them?
4)arent the GJM people armed as well as its recorded in the media the people opposing GJM got serious injuries from khukris?one also got caught with fire armes?
5)why GJM demanding GL even for areas dominated by non gorkhas?for example in siliguri whe almost all non-gorkhas(i guess 80%+ population) are againts GL?
I guess no violence would have occurred in GJM had limitated its demand&agitation to the DGHC area!
The govt. already willing to give a very handsome autonomous status to the counsil area so that the gorkhas can govern themselves,than why need a seperate state?sikkim is already a gorkha state!
Would creation of such small state which are not economicaly self sufficiant be a good example for India?
Rajneesh said
1) Jai Gorkhaland
2) Jai Bharat
3) Jai Hindustan
4) Bharat mati ki jai
5) Jai jawan Jai kisan.
RAJA said
“The date for the Akhil Bharatiya Adhivasi Vikash Parishad strike and the Gorkha Janmukti Nari Morcha ‘Dooars March’ had been set months earlier. The State Intelligence Bureau knew everything that were to occur and so did the police, the local administration and the Writers Building… But did they do anything? No!
The Police did not disband any of the marauding hordes of ABAVP cadres. IPC Section 144 should have been clamped down before the armed groups of ABAVP started marching around.
…………………………………………………………………………..
Dear barun,
WB govt. cant apply IPC section 144 prior to dooars march as GJMM will then blame state govt. for killing their voice for separate statehood demand nor it (govt.) can stop peoples who are opposing GL demand in dooars …. it’s GJMM’s leaders duty to think rationally and respect the wish of dooars peoples who dont want dooars GL inclusion…. awaring most of peoples sentiment (resentment) over GL issue (in dooars region) what’s the need to call for a march??? is it not provocative?? …. GJMM should confined themselves within DGHC area to implement their political agenda where peoples want separate statehood else these kind of sad incidents will happen in future too ….
regs,
Raja
tatu said
Motto of the GJMM is not GL, Their motto is creat a Kashmir like situation in this region with the help of China, Pakistan via Nepal.
Rajneesh said
Help !!!!!
RAJA said
Dont aware about GJmm’s motto but sad incident took place in dooars should not be happened again …. politicians are getting milage only poor peoples are getting injured and killed…all bakwas!!
MMM said
@raja
ya you are 100% right!i too feel exactly the same way!the hill leadershis is in wrong hands!
MMM said
I totally agree with comments #29!
Jigmi said
why????????…..
everyone knew this was going to happen. yet instead to trying to bypass this particular area, the GJM had to go through it. if this is not foolishness, i would say it was stupidness. If Bimal Gurung, Roshan Giri and the rest of the so called Leaders of Darjeeling was so interested in gaining support from the Dooars area, why did they not lead from the front? it is their party,their people, their agenda but without them leading it. where they sacred? did they know that had they been there they would had faced the same wrath as the poor people who blindly trust these leaders. why make our people suffer? why? please stop it.
And now they want to collect taxes from the people. On what rights/basics do they want to do this? is it the raj of the people or of one person. I do not oppose our birth right on/for the creation of GorkhaLand but have a plan,think, and then implement it in order to achieve, not use dadagiri the the means of achieving it.
does the govt of india suffer when there are strikes in Darjeeling? do ou think the kolkota govt gives a daam about all the naras that takes place almost everyday in darjeeling. the only person who suffer are us….the people of darjeeling.
every day of strike means no business, no business means no money, no money means no food,no food means hunger/death. will GJM compensate all the people who has been affected in one way or the other.
lets say a driver earns Rs500 a day, will GJM be willing to pay this man even half of his daily earnings so that this particular person can feed his family. or lets make it simple, will they take responsibility to feed all those daily paid workers?
All you guys are doing is just making matter worst. Bimal Gurung, Roshan Giri and all those leaders, will you stay in that hunger strikes points you have set up at different places, are you willing to shed blood for our causes, are you all willing to listen to us, do you all really want to be our leaders or do you just want to rule over us?
i dream of/for Darjeeling….. Do YOU?????????
layman said
Jigmee bro,
Relax..it seems you just peed on your trouser after seeing Adhivasis with bow and arrow.In TV? or Himalaya Darpan?
Dude, this is agitation. It was us who…pushed GJMM to that level, wherefrom they can lead us.
It was us who gave so much guts to GJMM to take on our supressors. It was us who..went to tukver in trucks to do SAMARTHAN. It was us who said, “I can give my life for GL”.
Now, with our support and power BG rose up and decided to take on the supressors head on. Now, when he’s hurt on the head and bleeding. You talk about Fleeing? You talk about BG’s fault?
Dude, whatever his educational qualification is he is the MAN who is read to die for us. We should respect him. Do you know, if people take laws in hand who will be the first target of police? BG. If there is bloodshed, who will be convicted ? BG. Can you do what he has done for us?
NO.
The point is if you can’t do, shut your mouth ! Let others do!
rubin said
Layman…How do u know BG is ready to die for gorkhaland..i think as his first gjmm speech..we shud ask him to cut his left hand to proove that…then only will anybody trust him…except for “surrendered” people lik u…
rubin said
Wat jigme says is correct…these fools shud b leading frm the front…i wonder were that asha gurung was…she was leading acording to reports…
layman said
I know because…I’m Bhejan Daruwala. Was that the answer you were looking for?
Dude, when someone is leading a movement as a President, you don’t have to know…it happens. If there is communal violence and for god shake something bad happens…he will be held responsible..not the mob.
Do as you please, but I will have soft corner for BG and his party as long as they fight for Gorkhaland. End of GJMM means..end of Gorkhaland again..
All I want to say you is: NOT again and NOT YET!
layman said
And remember, I am not here to sound intelligent or become arm chair critique/ I’m here to support Gorkhaland movement, so that it doesnt become a history.
layman said
why do you think hills has negligible CPIM supporters despite the fact that WB sends the largest CPIM MPs in parliament?
Becuase everyone in hills knows CPIM as a communal party. They only talk abaout Gorkhali-Bengali fraternity when they speak in front of national media. But no convincing efforts are done in reality. What mr. Ashok Bhattacharjee says? Gorkhas are foreigner. What AAMRA Bangali does? question the nationality of Pawan Chamling. Next could be me or my son !
So what do you expect me to do? get kicked out cause I look diferent?
This is the reason why Gorkhaland is raised. Don’t you think we have right to self protection . And please don’t compare anyother statehood demand with Gorkhaland. Adhivasis of Jharkhand were not called as foreigners. Supporters of Telangana and Bidharba are not questioned their nationality dude. Think about it!
layman said
Right to Freedom
19. Protection of certain rights regarding freedom of speech, etc.—(1) All citizens shall have the right—
(a) to freedom of speech and expression;
(b) to assemble peaceably and without arms;
(c) to form associations or unions;
(d) to move freely throughout the territory of India;
(e) to reside and settle in any part of the territory of India; and
* * * * *
(g) to practise any profession, or to carry on any occupation, trade or business.
IS THIS PART IS FOLLOWED IN OUR STATE?
layman said
(b) to assemble peaceably and without arms;
…
Adhivasis were armed with Bows arrow khukuri and other primitive weapons
ags said
its may just a trick of some politicians…..
many of them do such things for their own greed.
Malik said
(b) to assemble peaceably and without arms;….as long as your “Right” does not encroach upon mine.
That is what your blokes don’t understand. You come to our backyard and claim it to be yours. Now even the ones who use to earlier have a soft corner for the Nepalis have turned cold towards you.
tatu said
Not to pay taxes, using illegal car numberplates, instigating communal activites, carrying weapons, forcefully enters in other houses, collecting Goonda taxes forcefully, DISRESPECT TO DEADBODIES, pelting stone to tourists, threating govt servents, etc etc are not right in indian constitution. This are anti indian acts. Understand, you all the GJMM supporters. The much you do this, much you get punishment from Indians.
rahul said
mr. layman came up with this heartfelt argument earlier about how a separate GL will benefit gorkhas, adivasis and bengalis….dude then why call it GL call it something else…darjeeling or whatever and may be even people like me will support that movement. the problem of gl movement is that its not inclusive…even outsiders like jtm and yks will have more rights to gl at our cost….and we belong to this place. that is not acceptable.
JTM said
Hey I am not exactly an outsider, I was born in Bengal. Kharagpur.
Why do you think I have so much of interest in the well-being of this region? Has anybody else shown so much interest in the subject?
I am a strange case of one who is Himachali, Bengali, Gorkhali, Nepali Indian.
rahul said
apologies JTM but you should appreciate that you are more of an exception. i was born in duars, got my schooling in the hills, my father was a planter…and now i am relocating to duars….but now i’m considered an outsider because i look different
tatu said
for your this trouble me rahul, GJMM is responsible. With the name of a third grade singer prashant tamang, Gjmm get some money and support and suddenly start all the anti indian activites. Even they are attacking the houses of Adivasis. So, for your plight GJMM is responsible. They start playing all the communal cards here. You better ask GJMM to stop all the anti indian and communal activitoes , situation will be normal soon. No non nepalis and and very good number of Nepalis dont want any communal clashes etc. Only GJMM wants.
tatu said
It is not adivasis went to Darjeeling hills to demand Adivasi Land, it is anti Indian and communal GJMM came down to dooars with Goondas and deadly wapons to demand GL and ethnic cleansing. It is loud and clear. Prevent and destroy GJMM from anti indian and communal activities , peace will return automaticaly.
JTM said
Rahul has a solid point. They have made a Gorkha minority. You can at least join that. Me being a Gorkha do not fit even in the Gl gorkha category or the Gorkha minority category. me and people will eventually merge into the Himachal snows as nobodies.
JTM said
A Tibeti will have Gorkhaland Gorkha status facilities
My people (from the North)(who rightly deserve to get the recognition in India for actual Gorklha contribution) will not get benefits as claimed by Darjeling as ‘Gorkha’land.
WE are already being treated as paraihs by the GL people. All that all India Gorkha identity is all bull-shit! It is all regional politics.
Nisha Tamang said
tatu said
January 17, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Motto of the GJMM is not GL, Their motto is creat a Kashmir like situation in this region with the help of China, Pakistan via Nepal.
================================
Hey Gorkhey brothers! Why dont we stand united and throw this illegal BD out!!! Hes really getting on my nerves..!! saala ko ta aandra bhoodi nikalera ni Dolpa ko vultures haru lai dinchu..kasto kaminapan le bhareko manche yo tatu ta..hes totally disgusting, filthy CRAPPPP!!!
tatu said
Nisha is a perfect symbol of GJMMs culture and languages. Carry on.
Nisha Tamang said
#55 Tatu: I am..so? Is that becoming a pain in your ass??
rubin said
Layman…once bimal takes leadership..obviusly he shud be resposnsible for wat mob does…coz he has encouraged them……wat do u say.? ..isn’t that the perks of leadership ?..End of GJMM doestnt mean end of grokaland u stupid fool…This has been goin on since 100yrs and it wont stop..so jst piss off
layman said
Dear Rahul and JTM di,
I read your comments that followed mine and I’m answering to that taking them as reply to mine.
(1) Why Gorkhaland ? why not something else? (for Rahul)
The new state is not just for roti kapra and makan or development as seen, argued and projected by WB government. More than that it is for Identity of Gorkhas in India so that no one asks me or my son/daughter outsider. So, if we take out the word Gorkha, it merely becomes another state where money will come a little more than in hill council for the development. The concept of incorporating “Gorkha” is to safeguard our race in India, which is unfortunately seen as s guy who came from NEPAL (merely). It is important to note here that Darjeeling Sikkim Dooars siliguri and other northern belts of India (e.g. HP) have been ruled by Gorkhas in the past. The statistics reveal that there was negligible Bengali community as compared to Gorkhas once in Siliguri, but the case is revered now. It is often attributed to Bangladeshi infiltrations. But that doesn’t mean everyone of them is from once east Pakistan. Some of them have also migrated from within India (within wb). Now, inclusion of siliguri (which is historically belonged to Gorkhas) might prove double edged sword unless marwaris (important populace of Siliguri), Biharis, Bengalis and others support us. But is highly unlikely that all Bengalis will support inclusion of siliguri, let alone formation of Gorkhaland. This is where I stop to think for a while the lines of joydeep majumdar, “that beneath that veneer of sophistication, the average Bengali is as communal and parochial as Raj Thackeray and his goons. Difference is, Raj & Co have the courage to speak their minds while the Bengalis would try and couch their racism in sophisticated language”
(2) Gorkhaland has nothing to do with Gorkhas (for JTM di)
True, the proposed Gorkhaland is not a communal demand. It has been raised by considering everyone living in the hills both by gorkha by birth or gorkha by heart (which includes, bhutia, tibtis, lepchas, marwaris, biharis, Bengalis and other minorities) as one big umbrella. To be frank, I may not be benefited by this 29th state economically but I will have one assurance I have a state in India (Gorkhaland). Now, that applies to you also. It is true, Gorkhas are in HP, Dehradun, assam, sikkim…but are they ever uttered or seen without a trace of doubt as Indian even though they have been here before the concept of India came? NO. India as we see today was a concept given by British to rule a big areas with matchless diversity. India was not a single state before they arrive. It was a region of various kingdoms. Darjeeling and Sikkim have been ruled by Gorkhas and have been homeland of Gorkhas much much before it was annexed to British India by British. Now the question is if the land becomes part of India, why not the people living in that land?
Sikkim became part of India in 1975, but only the land became India not the people . Don’t you see, they still protest about Pawan Chamling’s nationality?
To quote historian Sonam Wangyal “The history of Darjeeling has intimate relationship to the history of Sikkim, Nepal, Bhutan, and the East India Company and thereby to Britain, nag ra masu jasto”. It will be appropriate to start from Kharsang (now kurseong) for it was here that Maharajah Thodup Namgyal and Maharani Yeshay Dolma were imprisoned. Jailed, locked up by the British and it was here that they wrote a historical book on Sikkim. It was translated into English by Kazi Daosamdup and he called it History of Sikkim. In the manuscript the boundaries of Sikkim is defined as follows: “They were Dibdala in the North, Shingsa Dag-pay, Walung, Yangmak, Khangchen, Yarlung and Timar Chorten in the West, down along Arun and Dud Kosi Rivers, down to Maha Nodi, Nuxalbari, Titalia in the South. On the East Tagong La, and Tang La on the North.” These boundaries were defined after the enthronement, coronation, the appointment of the first Chogyal of Sikkim, Phuntshog Namgyal, 1642 CE. The first things the new ruler did was to construct forts called dzongs which operated as the military and administrative units. To these dzongs he appointed dzongpens, or fort masters, the local administrators or chiefs and they were all Lepchas, thus the Lepchas were appeased, made happy, made content. But that left out the Limbus and the Magars. The Magars staunchly resisted Bhutia incursion and political domination, and they actually went to war against the new rulers. The fact that the Magars were pretty well organized can be assessed from the forts they built which the ruling community in Sikkim called them Magar-dzongs. Eventually, the Magars lost and a large part of them got pushed westwards. As far as the Limbus were concerned the Chogyal made a pact called Lho-mon-tsong-sum (lho-Bhutias, mon-Lepchas, tsong-Limbus, and sum-three), thus giving us the Bhutia-Lepcha-Limbu trinity.
Now what importance this patch of history has for us vis-à-vis the present political scenario!
(1) The boundaries demarcated clearly shows that Darjeeling, Kharsang, Kalimpong and Siliguri were all in Sikkim and that the kingdom stretched all the way to Purnea in the south.
(2) The Gorkha population was in sufficient numbers to wage a war against Sikkim, as in the case of Magars, and large enough for the Chogyal to seek allegiance (Lho-mon-tsong-sum), as in the case of the Limbus.
And
(3) This is the most significant of the points mentioned so far: that the Maharajah’s History of Sikkim makes it absolutely certain that the Gorkhas were in the region even before the creation of Sikkim yaneki Sikkimko shristi, janma, sthapana bhanda dherai aghi dekhi nai hamro paharma Gorkhaharu thiyay.
Sincerely,
Layaman.
P.S. The above history and facts are not fabricated story, interested people can read Dr. Sonam Wangyal’s history of Darjeeling with authentic documents and references.
RAJA said
Claiming over dooars should not be based on past history …. afganistan once ruled by kushan king / india was streched upto afganistan to burma but at present context we cannot claim over those lands…same goes to dooars and tarai….
rubin said
in Layman terms—
1) Why Gorkhaland ? why not something else? (for Rahul)
The new state is not just for roti kapra and makan or development as seen, argued and projected by WB government. More than that it is for Identity of Gorkhas in India so that no one asks me or my son/daughter outsider.
### I totally disagreee….!!!!…It is 90% for roti kapra and makan..hardly 10% for identity….If u ask any villager etc..in Darj why do u want gorkhaland? u will get the ans… For the 90% of the people who hardly move out of Siliguri..What the hell is the use of Identity…??…most of them have never faced any issue…It’s only with the students..and other people who move around…..Obviously other resident gorkhas are supporting this because of identity and brotherhood…else its no use for them…I say its only for “DEVELOPMENT of the people of Darj”…if it was only identity then Central govt. could just pass bills etc stating gorkha are indegenioous tribes of India..etc..IF it was only for identity then i guess just the DGHC area shud be fine..why include doars…?…moreso if we go by logic of sagauli sandhi and all..We will be having dotted “Grokhaland” states from jammu to burma..:)…Sikkim included where gorkhas make up more than 50% of the poulation…but they are not demanding state coz…roti kapda makan is fine…:)
(2) Gorkhaland has nothing to do with Gorkhas (for JTM di)
Above statement hopefully ansers this too..:)…
patleybaskounpad said
actually to continue what Rubin has said..
the folks who first conceived this demand (given that the demand is over a 100 years old) must have been concerned by weighty issues such as ‘identity’ (whatever that means) etc..
but the reason why it did not remain just a concept that preoccupies the elite and the philosophically minded is because the man on the street has been given such a bad deal by the west bengal government that he always sees GL as a more convenient and better option..(for example a retiring teacher may have get into the labyrinths of writers to get his ’service book’ sorted out, imagine his peace of mind if the same could be done in Darjeeling where everyone speaks the same language and of course where the weather is so much better..)
so i would say both the layman and rubin are correct..’identity’ definitely played a role in the demand being conceived ..but development and convenience perhaps was the ‘mantra’ or the reason why it caught the imagination of the masses…
and now that efforts are being made to woe the adivasis..development perhaps should be made the focus or the rallying point..since identity is a sticky issue that created more problems than it resolves..
rahul said
well if its only about identity or 90% so, then what do the non gorkhas do who make up a majority of the proposed GL? leave “GL”? would a similar thing be ok if gorkhas staying in kolkata, HP or assam are asked to do so? its not that GJM did not try to win over the adivasis…hell!!!he offered 10 seats a year for adivasis in hill schools. wht a joke!!!the total adivasi population in terai-duars is 37 lacs, if we consider that 15% belong to school going age group, that would make it 5.5 lacs. 10 out of 5.5lacs would be….you can work out the percentage. i wonder who are the people advisin gurung? is there any policy advisor? another small piece of arithmetic, there would be appox. 35 legislative seats in the proposed GL….gjm would tmost win 10-12. the remainder would be made up of non-gorkha non-hill parties. will these people accept the minority rule of gjm??
rubin said
hmm…yes….Question to JTM … Why are you supporting Gorkhaland ?…identity ?….lets take into account that we have got GL…will that solve ur identity problem ?…as per record the beginning or source of Gorkhas are in the areas outside proposed gorkhaland…so what purpose wud GL in darj server?…it wud just be a false propaganda….just for the heck that gorkhas have a state…..
rubin said
conclusion..we want Gorkhaland for Development and convenience as Patley said..full stop…and leave these adivasis alone..coz they dont deserve better economics..let them fight thier own battle..i guees it will take another century for them to ask for one……i guess when they will graduate to guns from bows/arrows we can expect them to raise thier voice for thier betterment…
rubin said
Adivasis go to ur jungle and eat rats and all..cheers
patleybaskounpad said
rahul, should not be mistaking the rhetoric of a speech for a real policy decision..anyway he seems to be game about supporting the struggle for a separate state if (i) it had a different name, and as a logical extension of proposition(i), (ii) was about development and not identity…
anyway identity is a concept that preoccupies only a microscopic few..after all we do have an identity based on nationhood say as Indians or British or Samoan for example, and even then so many are willing to relinquish that for better living options, better research facilities even better spouses for that matter …so let us not get too carried away by this identity thing…
in this i am reminded about a movie in which a shrink asks a man, WHO ARE YOU? and the guy says I AM A DOCTOR/LAWYER or something to that affect..to which the shrink retorts I ASKED YOU WHO YOU ARE NOT WHAT YOU DO..to which the man replies I AM A MAN…to which the shrink replies I DID NOT ASK YOU YOUR SEX ..and it goes on..moral of the story being most of us are quite clueless about who we are..?,,
layman said
Dear Rubin,
For the 90% of the people who hardly move out of Siliguri..What the hell is the use of Identity…??…most of them have never faced any issue…It’s only with the students..and other people who move around
…………………………………………………………………………………………
Here you are caught napping! OK it is faced by students and others who move out, agreed. How many government offices are in Darjeeling? Even they are demanding to shift other government offices to siliguri and further down. Will you dial these government offices and solve your official problems from a STD booth?
How many institutions are their which offer POST graduate education in Darjeeling?
Non! Will you ask you kids to pursue master’s in Pol. science, economics, physics, math, chemistry from DISTANT with the help of distance education? Will that be enough for him to fetch a job?
rubin said
…sublime.:)..patley out of few(2-3) in this blog..whose words i do think over…cheers
layman said
As Patlebasko bro said, both identity and RKM (roti kapra makan) are important.
But for someone like me, identity is more important as I have a job to look after my roti kapra makan. But no job can give you real identity. Of course, ther’s one: ARMY. But it is not for everyone. People have different choices…dreams..
rubin said
hmm….Layman..u answered the question ur self…as for napping…thats wat i love most and i plan to doo…chalo enough for today…gnit..
patleybaskounpad said
i am quite baffled here by layman’s assertion..what does identity have to do with university education? ..actually what matters is the quality primary and high school education, societal role models, individual aspirations, drive, hard work money and obviously strong parental support..where does identity come in all this? i wonder…
but of course if a separate state is a reality ( i am deliberately not saying GL for obvious reasons) and it works out the way all of us intend it to, then i guess rubin will be as satisfied as the layman for entirely different reasons though..and i don’t see any reason why folks like rahul too would not by happy..
rahul said
let mr. gurung be advised by a sane lot or let their be saner leadership….let the struggle be about the development of this region….let it be inclusive…i’m all for the struggle
JTM said
Thats good spirit Rahul. Darjeeling do not miss this opportunity. Development of the region and people. Finally thats what matters the most.
layman said
i am quite baffled here by layman’s assertion..what does identity have to do with university education? ..actually what matters is the quality primary and high school education, societal role models, individual aspirations, drive, hard work money and obviously strong parental support..where does identity come in all this? i wonder…
but of course if a separate state is a reality ( i am deliberately not saying GL for obvious reasons) and it works out the way all of us intend it to, then i guess rubin will be as satisfied as the layman for entirely different reasons though..and i don’t see any reason why folks like rahul too would not by happy..
…………………………………………………………………………
Rubin claimed that identity crisis is felt by people who move out of darjeeling and who are students. Now, question of universities and offices came as they are non in Darjeeling. which means…most us have to move out oneday or other nad that in turn means..we will face identity crisis. That was it.
layman said
#75
hahaha…that was nice. So, new state (even I havent used the G word) will be good for everyone !
layman said
sorry it was for 73
JTM said
….Question to JTM … Why are you supporting Gorkhaland ?…identity ?….lets take into account that we have got GL…will that solve ur identity problem ?…as per record the beginning or source of Gorkhas are in the areas outside proposed gorkhaland…so what purpose wud GL in darj server?…it wud just be a false propaganda….just for the heck that gorkhas have a state…..
—————————————————————-
GL talks about identity. I believe we already have an identity in India. It has potential to grow with more self-achievement and self confidence.
Also GL will make all who live outside GL lose our identity. They are not willing to concede that or think about how it canbe saved. I already have a Dorje who is counted as ‘Gorkha Tibetan’ and tofay has the guts to sneer at Gorkhas from outside Draj. That is what GL has done. And this is just the beginning. They have written rubbish about our histiry and are propagating and twisting Gorkha identity to only suit them in darj. They refuse to listen to us. They are blind and deaf only the mouths are working.
I have apprehensions that a state in our name will create divisions and problems within the Indian Gorkhas BECAUSE the perpetrators of the movement and also so called learned people of Dar are zero in Gorkha knowledge.
In terms of identity we are not yet ready or mature or developed.
On the contrary, the Indian identity has to mature more.
People have to admire us and be proud of the Gorkhas as Indian citizens.
The Gorkhas from outside Darj are more progressive in terms of a cosmopolitian attitude, broad mindeness and independant achievers. We are also more comfortable with our Indian nationality and with other Indian comunities. Darjeelingays always say that they find us very ‘Indian’. What does it mean? I mentioned aboiut falling out with a Darj friend who told me not to use the word ‘Sui’ because that is Hindi. I find this behavior very backward.
Darj is trying to club alongwith other fellow tribes and create a more inclusive and self-centred society.
Rubin dont ask me too mnay questions. You know I am very homest on the blog. I think I ahve more enemies than friends here. Because I do not say what they want to hear.
Even the Dharaamshal line was more to needle teh Tibetans out of their shell and realise they are also living in a growing cocoon. They evaluate evrythinh with what money can buy or sell. But they are now long enough inj India to klnow that somewhere they are steppong and treading on somebody else’s toes.
They have to learn to be more sensitive to local Indians or else they will soon lose their posn earned on the laurels of the Dalai Lama. He is not going to last forever.
There I ahve said it. Now are they going to be concerned? No they are too far gone. I wish them all the best and hope they GL soon otherwise they will become guntoters.
Lets call it the Gorkhas (outside darjeling’s ) last sacrifice for Gorkhaland.
layman said
I’m seeing clearer picture.
Rajneesh said
If Darj gorkhas think non Darj gorkhas as too indian, so does that mean they are less indian ? or too chinese ? too nepalese? or from a different country?
Unity in diversity — they say about India, I forsee a
Disaster in diversity!!!!! where everybody retracts in their self centered regions.
Proud to be an Indian,
Pround to be a gorkha,
Jai Hind.
Exposer said
Sorrie to interupt u guys….Your thoughts speak in an enlightened ,true spirit purely characteristic of any Gorkha.Gorkhas r generally loyal and sincere people.Its because of this nature,they ve been subjugated and exploited to the extreme.I feel disheartned when I find myself being tagged as pravashi in Nepal. I hold some sections of Nepalese of exploiting their kith and kin reducing them as mere worthless citizens.Had they not been discriminatory and ceorcive ,Nepal would atleast not be in what it is today.The Nepalese all over would have boldly held his head high whereever he went. But ,sadly its did not happen so.The scenario here has some connection with Nepal.Its useless to expect support frm Adhivasis and even Rajbanshis because its their inherent pschye to think us as more Nepalese than Indians.And that trait is engraved in their hearts which is near impossible to change. Its that narrow understanding that makes them do all the terror in Doars and inspite of all those exploitations,they tend to gravitate towards the Bengalees. All these liberal offerings will in no way placate the Adhivasis.
tatu said
Adivasis are well aware of the true attitudes of GJMM. They know very well peoples from Nepal and Bhupalis are takeing away their jobs in tea estate and others services. GJMM communal attitudes and supporting the cause of only illegal mighrants from nepal and Bhupalis is well known to them. The huge population growth of recent mighrants from nepal and bhupalis is changong the demography of Dooars.
Chakka Tatu said
Adivasis will now aware of the true nature of CPM vote bank politics…after giving ration card and enrollling the bangladeshis to voters list they giving lifelong jobs in tea gardens displacing the adivashis.true nature of cpm is well known throughout india….supporting chinese invasion of the 1962 and preventing the tibetians to hold rallies in calcutta to please their masters in china.the huge population of bangladeshis in india is causing problem now and siliguri is almost bangladesh. cpm must be banned for anti-indian activities and all illegal bangladeshis must be kick out so that peace will return in the region.
YKS said
@38, Layman.
I agree with you bro. Jigmee must have peed seeing those CPIM goons (I won’t say Adivasis, they are just a pawn in the hands of CPIM). Now, tell me why should BG go and lead? We need him. And let me tell you, if they raise hands on BG, then that is going to be disastrous for Waste Bengal Govt.
============
@49, Rahul, how do you know that I don’t belong to Gorkhaland dude? I was born in Darjeeling dude, brought up in Assam because my dad was in Assam Rifles and settled down later.Do you have any bonafide proof that u were born in Waste Bengal?
=========================================
tatu said
January 18, 2009 at 10:51 am
for your this trouble me rahul, GJMM is responsible. With the name of a third grade singer prashant tamang,
==============================
Tatu, kukkure chele!! Shut your mouth.
=================================
rubin said
January 18, 2009 at 5:41 pm
conclusion..we want Gorkhaland for Development and convenience as Patley said..full stop…and leave these adivasis alone..coz they dont deserve better economics..let them fight thier own battle..i guees it will take another century for them to ask for one……i guess when they will graduate to guns from bows/arrows we can expect them to raise thier voice for thier betterment…
========================
Rubin, u r funny man, but u talk a lot of sense. Yes, leave the adivasis alone, let them fight after 100 years, but we must ensure that the rights of our gorkhes are safeguarded there even if it is not included in Gorkhaland.
=========================
yc said
i can assure u somethin people…… this time its gonna be worse…worse than the 80s revolution…..
Nisha Tamang said
80s ma pani uhi brave gorkhali daju bhai, ahile pani tyahi daju bhai. As long as united we stand we shall face the worst of the situation..
yc said
sure as hell we will,we got to.we are facing an identity crisis, we have become the underdogs in our own land. today thousands of miles away from my home, people ask where are you from and i say am a nepali/gorkha, the immediate response is, “so ur from nepal”. hell man,that makes me feel uncomfortable. am i from nepal? NO!
There has to be a proper name and a place for us, and the answer is gorkhaland so that tomorrow if someone asks me, i can proudnly say ” i’m from gorkhaland”. this applies to all my brothers and sisters who are scattered all around the world in search of jobs.
The feeling of being labeled a foreigner is disturbing. I see salvation i n gorkhaland.
Nisha Tamang said
As for me I am torn apart…I belong to both Nepal and Gorkhaland..jo sukaile jesukai bhanos..i dont give a shit to their sayings..I want both Nepal prospering and Gorkhaland happening and prospering as well..
yc said
As a matter of fact, we all are torn apart. Thats why i wud rather belong to only one place.till now we are living in confusion, we are disoriented regarding our lan. Now’s the time to claim it.
Nisha Tamang said
I am gonna live for both Nepal and Gorkhaland..I would rather belong to once place bhanera ta mo pani bhannu chahanchu ni..but situation is such ki I love both the place..i cannot choose this or that..my heart goes out for both Gorkhaland and Nepal.
yc said
maybe thats ur personal situation but for the majority the picture is different. (dont mean to offend)
fun love said
Nisha baheni start a agitation/movement in nepal so that whole nepal comes into india. I want to see nepal as a 30th state of india and GL 31st state of India.